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		<title>By: HawkeyeBK</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkeyenation.com/basketball/the-spoiled-generation/comment-page-1#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>HawkeyeBK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce &quot;Sky&quot; King was my first Hawkeye hero, so, I remember Hawkeye sports in the 70&#039;s.  Not great, but, sure enjoyed listening to games and cheering the Hawkeyes.  It just made the 1980&#039;s that much better.

I think times like the basketball team are going through now are when you can differentiate the more loyal Iowa fans from the bandwagon fans.  The loyal fans still cheer for the team and refuse to attack or boo individual players no matter how bad they play.  After all, they are our guys; working hard and doing their best.  Sure, interest might wane a little.

With regard to attendance, the current style of play may drive some fans away; however, I think the athletic departments have done a lot to undermine fan loyalty.  They have gouged (IMO) the fans with high ticket prices just because they could (football being the worst offender).  Now they (bball)want to play the loyalty/relationship card.

Does anyone else remember how painful it was to watch the half-court 4-corner offense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce &#8220;Sky&#8221; King was my first Hawkeye hero, so, I remember Hawkeye sports in the 70&#8242;s.  Not great, but, sure enjoyed listening to games and cheering the Hawkeyes.  It just made the 1980&#8242;s that much better.</p>
<p>I think times like the basketball team are going through now are when you can differentiate the more loyal Iowa fans from the bandwagon fans.  The loyal fans still cheer for the team and refuse to attack or boo individual players no matter how bad they play.  After all, they are our guys; working hard and doing their best.  Sure, interest might wane a little.</p>
<p>With regard to attendance, the current style of play may drive some fans away; however, I think the athletic departments have done a lot to undermine fan loyalty.  They have gouged (IMO) the fans with high ticket prices just because they could (football being the worst offender).  Now they (bball)want to play the loyalty/relationship card.</p>
<p>Does anyone else remember how painful it was to watch the half-court 4-corner offense?</p>
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		<title>By: NorfolkNeb</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkeyenation.com/basketball/the-spoiled-generation/comment-page-1#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>NorfolkNeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about N.C. blue, after this year? The tarheals have alredy lost 10 games.  North Carolina would be the definiton of &#039;spoiled&#039; when it comes to Division I basketball.  Let&#039;s watch how they react after this season.  

I was a teen-ager during the Ralph Miller years at Iowa.  Sure, we went undefeated in the Big-10 season and were one win from the final four. BUT, there were only two national games per week on TV, then. Now, there are 20 games on the average sports fan&#039;s TV, each week. I had to listen to Iowa&#039;s loss to Jacksonville, in the &#039;elite eight&#039; on the radio. That probably boggles the mind of today&#039;s sports fan. 

Illinois and Wisconsin have made the NCAA tourney each of the last ten years, but their fans are no more rabid then ours. UNI and ISU have earned higher RPI&#039;s than the Hawks over that same decade. Hiring coaches, and sticking with them, is a cut-throat business in the last decade. There have probably been more fan&#039;s hearts broken in Fayetteville, College Station, and Tulsa then in Iowa City in the last decade.  

What has Gonzaga, Villanova, Vanderbilt, or Maryland got, that Iowa doesn&#039;t? Continutity. We&#039;ll be spoiled again, if we stick with a guy who teaches the same values that Dr. Tom did (Coach Lick). Unless you want to be a NWN or PSU in BB, quit changing horses in the middle of the stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about N.C. blue, after this year? The tarheals have alredy lost 10 games.  North Carolina would be the definiton of &#8216;spoiled&#8217; when it comes to Division I basketball.  Let&#8217;s watch how they react after this season.  </p>
<p>I was a teen-ager during the Ralph Miller years at Iowa.  Sure, we went undefeated in the Big-10 season and were one win from the final four. BUT, there were only two national games per week on TV, then. Now, there are 20 games on the average sports fan&#8217;s TV, each week. I had to listen to Iowa&#8217;s loss to Jacksonville, in the &#8216;elite eight&#8217; on the radio. That probably boggles the mind of today&#8217;s sports fan. </p>
<p>Illinois and Wisconsin have made the NCAA tourney each of the last ten years, but their fans are no more rabid then ours. UNI and ISU have earned higher RPI&#8217;s than the Hawks over that same decade. Hiring coaches, and sticking with them, is a cut-throat business in the last decade. There have probably been more fan&#8217;s hearts broken in Fayetteville, College Station, and Tulsa then in Iowa City in the last decade.  </p>
<p>What has Gonzaga, Villanova, Vanderbilt, or Maryland got, that Iowa doesn&#8217;t? Continutity. We&#8217;ll be spoiled again, if we stick with a guy who teaches the same values that Dr. Tom did (Coach Lick). Unless you want to be a NWN or PSU in BB, quit changing horses in the middle of the stream.</p>
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		<title>By: MtownHawk</title>
		<link>http://www.hawkeyenation.com/basketball/the-spoiled-generation/comment-page-1#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>MtownHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a spoiled generation, but it may be spoiled individuals.  I&#039;m 35 and have been a Hawkeye fan since the days of Payne, Stokes and Carfino.  I do see some members of every different generation of Hawkeye fans who are very impatient with this basketball program.  This team was decimated by the players who transferred out last year and I can&#039;t really blame the coach for that.  I listened to sports talk radio guys saying before the season that they didn&#039;t see any winnable conference games for the Hawks and we would go winless in conference.  Now here we are just past half way through the conference season with two wins and the same people are saying they haven&#039;t seen anything that makes them optimistic about the future under this coach.  So... you admit we are better than you thought we&#039;d be, but you&#039;re not seeing any positives?  It doesn&#039;t add up to me.  So my answer is there are lots of win now, instant gratification, the grass is greener, I&#039;m taking my ball and going home people in every generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a spoiled generation, but it may be spoiled individuals.  I&#8217;m 35 and have been a Hawkeye fan since the days of Payne, Stokes and Carfino.  I do see some members of every different generation of Hawkeye fans who are very impatient with this basketball program.  This team was decimated by the players who transferred out last year and I can&#8217;t really blame the coach for that.  I listened to sports talk radio guys saying before the season that they didn&#8217;t see any winnable conference games for the Hawks and we would go winless in conference.  Now here we are just past half way through the conference season with two wins and the same people are saying they haven&#8217;t seen anything that makes them optimistic about the future under this coach.  So&#8230; you admit we are better than you thought we&#8217;d be, but you&#8217;re not seeing any positives?  It doesn&#8217;t add up to me.  So my answer is there are lots of win now, instant gratification, the grass is greener, I&#8217;m taking my ball and going home people in every generation.</p>
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		<title>By: frydays</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the attendance issue is 50% lack of success, and 50% undesirable to watch basketball. In the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s I would plan my week around watching the Hawks on TV, now there are games I miss, and it doesn&#039;t really affect me. Consider this. Bowlsby keeps Dr. Tom, he coaches Iowa another 5-6 years, included in that time frame would have been 2 years of Dean Oliver, 3 years of Joey Range and 4 years of Nick Collison. Probably would have finished upper big ten, made NCAA tourney most years. Possibly another sweet 16 run. We then could have transitioned to maybe Bruce Pearl, or at the worse, Keno Davis. Keno would have kept his fathers pressing style. Keno would currently be in about his 5th or 6th year at Iowa. Alford buried this program in many different fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the attendance issue is 50% lack of success, and 50% undesirable to watch basketball. In the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s I would plan my week around watching the Hawks on TV, now there are games I miss, and it doesn&#8217;t really affect me. Consider this. Bowlsby keeps Dr. Tom, he coaches Iowa another 5-6 years, included in that time frame would have been 2 years of Dean Oliver, 3 years of Joey Range and 4 years of Nick Collison. Probably would have finished upper big ten, made NCAA tourney most years. Possibly another sweet 16 run. We then could have transitioned to maybe Bruce Pearl, or at the worse, Keno Davis. Keno would have kept his fathers pressing style. Keno would currently be in about his 5th or 6th year at Iowa. Alford buried this program in many different fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: tm3308</title>
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		<dc:creator>tm3308</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but there is a spoiled generation in Iowa. I&#039;m just 19, and didn&#039;t start to pay attention until Alford took over. So I did not experience the success of the &#039;80s and &#039;90s. I&#039;ll admit that I didn&#039;t even pick up my student season tickets until last week, and I regret not having done so months ago. 

I recall a poster saying earlier that people are frustrated with a rebuilding effort that has taken far too long. THAT is proof enough of a spoiled generation of fans. What on earth makes you think you know a damn thing about how long it should take to rebuild the absolute mess that Alford left us? You&#039;ve never had to witness a true rebuilding process before for Iowa basketball. So why are you declaring that it&#039;s taking too long? Because you&#039;re an expert on the matter?

I seem to remember a lot of other people thinking they were experts on Iowa sports, and thought we should have canned Ferentz and Parker as recently as November 7, 2008. Glad Barta didn&#039;t listen to all you &quot;experts&quot; then.

And you&#039;ve got to remember, this team is VERY young. But they have a lot of the pieces in place, and Cody Larson should give us a good post presence when he arrives on campus next year. But Payne, May, and Cougill make up a very promising freshman class, and we still have Gatens, Fuller, and hopefully Tucker back as juniors next year, and Cole will benefit from another year of experience. I think the NIT isn&#039;t an unreachable goal for next year. 

Give Lick two more years. If we haven&#039;t shown signs of progress by then, then it&#039;s time to move on. But he&#039;s not got the program in any worse shape than it was when Alford left, so it&#039;s not really hurting us to hold on. Just be a little more patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but there is a spoiled generation in Iowa. I&#8217;m just 19, and didn&#8217;t start to pay attention until Alford took over. So I did not experience the success of the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s. I&#8217;ll admit that I didn&#8217;t even pick up my student season tickets until last week, and I regret not having done so months ago. </p>
<p>I recall a poster saying earlier that people are frustrated with a rebuilding effort that has taken far too long. THAT is proof enough of a spoiled generation of fans. What on earth makes you think you know a damn thing about how long it should take to rebuild the absolute mess that Alford left us? You&#8217;ve never had to witness a true rebuilding process before for Iowa basketball. So why are you declaring that it&#8217;s taking too long? Because you&#8217;re an expert on the matter?</p>
<p>I seem to remember a lot of other people thinking they were experts on Iowa sports, and thought we should have canned Ferentz and Parker as recently as November 7, 2008. Glad Barta didn&#8217;t listen to all you &#8220;experts&#8221; then.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;ve got to remember, this team is VERY young. But they have a lot of the pieces in place, and Cody Larson should give us a good post presence when he arrives on campus next year. But Payne, May, and Cougill make up a very promising freshman class, and we still have Gatens, Fuller, and hopefully Tucker back as juniors next year, and Cole will benefit from another year of experience. I think the NIT isn&#8217;t an unreachable goal for next year. </p>
<p>Give Lick two more years. If we haven&#8217;t shown signs of progress by then, then it&#8217;s time to move on. But he&#8217;s not got the program in any worse shape than it was when Alford left, so it&#8217;s not really hurting us to hold on. Just be a little more patient.</p>
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		<title>By: eamusbuteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>eamusbuteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My love for Hawkeye football and Basketball began around 1990.  And even though I was too young to appreciate the 80&#039;s, I still feel like I was spoiled by Dr Tom and the fast paced, fun to watch teams of the 90&#039;s.  For football, my glory days are right now, which is very exciting.  The 2000s were much better than the 1990s football-wise.  Perhaps my fave basketball memory is Steve Alford&#039;s first win as Iowa coach - over (then) #1 Uconn!  Probably the high water mark of his tenure here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My love for Hawkeye football and Basketball began around 1990.  And even though I was too young to appreciate the 80&#8242;s, I still feel like I was spoiled by Dr Tom and the fast paced, fun to watch teams of the 90&#8242;s.  For football, my glory days are right now, which is very exciting.  The 2000s were much better than the 1990s football-wise.  Perhaps my fave basketball memory is Steve Alford&#8217;s first win as Iowa coach &#8211; over (then) #1 Uconn!  Probably the high water mark of his tenure here.</p>
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		<title>By: HWX4LIF</title>
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		<dc:creator>HWX4LIF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in this time period and I would say we were spoiled.  I also agree with some of the posters...I would say 75% of the reason nobody is in CHA is winning and 25% of it is style of play.  If we were sitting 15-8 right now and in the running for an NCAA bid, I don&#039;t think there would be too many people saying &quot;I am not going to watch that team because the style of play is boring&quot;  10 years ago I would be crushed if we made it to the NIT, now if we were .500 I would be tickled.  I am seeing flashes of improvement this year, I hope we give Lick one more year to continue the improvement and get some more inside game going.  I believe he will need a few more W&#039;s for that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in this time period and I would say we were spoiled.  I also agree with some of the posters&#8230;I would say 75% of the reason nobody is in CHA is winning and 25% of it is style of play.  If we were sitting 15-8 right now and in the running for an NCAA bid, I don&#8217;t think there would be too many people saying &#8220;I am not going to watch that team because the style of play is boring&#8221;  10 years ago I would be crushed if we made it to the NIT, now if we were .500 I would be tickled.  I am seeing flashes of improvement this year, I hope we give Lick one more year to continue the improvement and get some more inside game going.  I believe he will need a few more W&#8217;s for that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: PStop</title>
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		<dc:creator>PStop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoiled is the wrong term to use.  Discerning is more appropriate.  Anymore, sports fans have a lot of choices on where to spend their money, what little of it people allocate to entertainment.  The Big 10 network shows games in &quot;stunning&quot; HD.  ESPN has about 36 channels showing all kinds of games.  Currently, The U of Iowa is asking 15,000 people to drive to Iowa City, brave inclement weather, spend $20 on one ticket and find a parking spot all to watch a mediocre (at best) basketball team.  These same people could watch a mediocre team from the comfort of their own home on a 50&quot; TV in high definition without spending any more money.

If The U of I can put a product on the court that wins games, then people will come.  It won&#039;t happen until then.  Even at that point, there are a lot of things competing for that almighty dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoiled is the wrong term to use.  Discerning is more appropriate.  Anymore, sports fans have a lot of choices on where to spend their money, what little of it people allocate to entertainment.  The Big 10 network shows games in &#8220;stunning&#8221; HD.  ESPN has about 36 channels showing all kinds of games.  Currently, The U of Iowa is asking 15,000 people to drive to Iowa City, brave inclement weather, spend $20 on one ticket and find a parking spot all to watch a mediocre (at best) basketball team.  These same people could watch a mediocre team from the comfort of their own home on a 50&#8243; TV in high definition without spending any more money.</p>
<p>If The U of I can put a product on the court that wins games, then people will come.  It won&#8217;t happen until then.  Even at that point, there are a lot of things competing for that almighty dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: AHawk1</title>
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		<dc:creator>AHawk1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoiled? When was the last time Iowa won the Big 10? and I&#039;m not talking those Big 10 titles Alford claims he won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoiled? When was the last time Iowa won the Big 10? and I&#8217;m not talking those Big 10 titles Alford claims he won.</p>
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		<title>By: iowa13</title>
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		<dc:creator>iowa13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last 29 years have easily been the longest sustained period of success and excellence in Iowa football history.  Fry and Ferentz have built a program that will generate passion for a long, long time.  Kinnick will always be full with Kirk at the helm, and even after he leaves us I doubt the program will suffer much in regards to fan support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last 29 years have easily been the longest sustained period of success and excellence in Iowa football history.  Fry and Ferentz have built a program that will generate passion for a long, long time.  Kinnick will always be full with Kirk at the helm, and even after he leaves us I doubt the program will suffer much in regards to fan support.</p>
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