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HN Big 10 Predictions: 3rd, 4th & 5th

HN Big 10 Predictions: 3rd, 4th & 5th

Time to take a look at Jon Miller’s 2010 Big Ten football predictions for the teams he believes will finish 3rd, 4th & 5th.  If you missed any of the previous predictions, here are the links:

Predictions for 10th & 11th
Predictions for 8th & 9th
Predictions for 6th & 7th

T-4 WISCONSIN 5-3 in Big Ten play, 9-3 overall:  Athlon ranked Wisconsin #7 in the nation in their preseason magazine.  What they don’t do is forecast where they think teams will finish the year, which is how I like to do it.  To each his own of course.  Phil Steele picks the Badgers at #23 in his preseason magazine, and Lindy’s had the Badgers ranked 6th.

I like the Badgers, and they appear to be a classic Wisconsin team.  However they play at Iowa and at Michigan, in addition to hosting Ohio State.  They could win every one of those games, or they could lose all three.  I think the latter is what’s going to happen.

Wisconsin returns 16 starters, including 10 on offense; the loss is TE Garrett Graham, and that is a big loss.  He had 51 catches for 624 yards and seven touchdown receptions and he was also a competent blocker.  Quarterback Scott Tolzein developed into a solid signal caller, and he threw for 2,705 yards to go along with 16 touchdowns to 11 interceptions.  Those passing yards rank high in Wisconsin team history for a season, especially when you combine their powerful rushing attack.  John Clay returns this year to carry the ball, and he gained ,1517 last year to go along with 18 touchdowns…both of those totals would rank in the Top three all time at Iowa for a single season.

This may be the the most balanced offense in the Big Ten this year, which always give you a chance.

Defense is the thing that could keep the Badgers from living up to the preseason hype, however, as they lose three of their front four, including breakout star end O’Brien Schofield, who had 12 sacks one year ago.  They also lose their leading tackler in linebacker Jaevery McFadden, plus a free safety.

WR Nick Toon is back (54 receptions, four touchdowns and 805 yards), as are a pair of experienced receivers.

Can their offense score enough points to stay ahead of what the defense may allow?  Ball control is always a key for the Badgers and will be incredibly important this year to shorten games and keep the opponent’s offense off the field.

Predicted Wins:  @UNLV, San Jose State, Arizona State, Austin Peay, @MSU, Minnesota, @Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern

Predicted Losses: Ohio State, @Iowa, @Michigan

Predicted Bowl:  Gator Bowl

Wisconsin went 9-3 in the regular season one year ago, and that included an 8-point win at home in the opener against NIU, a 34-31 double overtime win at home against Fresno State the week after, a three point win at Minnesota and a three-point win at Indiana.  They did what they had to do in the close ones for the most part, and I see that as a strength, not a weakness.  However, I believe they have a glass ceiling of around nine regular season wins again this year.

T-4 MICHIGAN 5-3 in Big Ten play, 9-3 overall:  Some may feel this ranking is too high…and it probably is, given Michigan’s 8-16 record over the first two years of the Rich Rodriguez era.

However, I think the offense is going to kick it into a consistent gear.  I believe that Dennard Robinson is going to get the starting nod at quarterback and run with it, literally and figuratively.

He still has a lot to prove on the playing field as it relates to being a competent thrower, but we have all seen the damage he can inflict with his legs.  he gained 351 yards on the ground last year, over 5 yards per carry in spot duty.  As a passser?  14 of 31 for 2 TD’s and 4 INT’s…so he has a way to go there.

However, Rich Rod’s offense has been its most effective when it has had a dual threat quarterback and I don’t think Tate Forcier can do that through an entire season.  Robinson has blazing speed to boot.

The bad news for Michigan is that Robinson is their leading returning rushher, as Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown are gone…they split starting time.  The Big Ten lists Michigan as returning 10 starters, but that’s not entirely accurate.  They have ten players back that started along the way last year, which would be like listing Adam Gettis as a returning starter for Iowa, along with Allen Reisner, which the Big Ten did not do in its spring prospectus, nor should they have done that.  Still, the Wolverines have talent at running back and that is one of the best positions for a young player to come in and contribute right away.

On the good news/bad news front for a second straight year, the Wolverines return a lot of players on defense, but the Michigan defense from 2009 might have been one of the worst in school history; they allowed their opponent to score 30 or more points in six of their eight conference games!  In the two games where their opponent scored less than 30, they went 0-2.

Their best defensive player and one of the best in the league is gone, and that was DE Brandon Graham.  They also lose All American punter Zoltan Mesko and their placekicker

Predicted Wins:  UConn, @Notre Dame, UMass, Bowling Green, @Indiana, Michigan State, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin

Predicted Losses:  @Penn State, @Purdue, @Ohio State

Predicted Bowl:  Capital One

I’ll admit right now that this is shaky…this team has not shown maturity or much chemistry under Rodriguez and he is on the hot seat.  The entire ball of yarn could come unwound in week one when Michigan hosts UConn, who might win the Big East this year, or if they stub their toe at Notre Dame the following week.  Truth be told, any Big Ten team on their schedule this year can probably believe they can beat Michigan, because most have over the past two seasons.

Michigan has lost its helmet mojo; teams know they can beat them and they aren’t down on the mental scoreboard before the game begins.  That has been a big psychological advantage for Michigan through the decades, and if they don’t get it back this year through better play, Rich Rod will be gone and the program could be set back several more years.  If they do get it back this year, Michigan might be the preseason favorite to win the league in 2011.  It’s one direction or another this year for the maize and blue.

3rd Penn State 6-2 in Big Ten play, 9-3 overall:  The Nittany Lions have to replace QB Daryll Clark, who was a very effective starter for them the past two seasons.  They also lose TE Andrew Quarless and both tackles from an offense line that took a long time to round into shape last year, but center Stefen Wisniewski returns to anchor the line along with both guards.  Running back Evan Royster is back, one of the best backs in the league, along with speedster Stephfon Green.

The excellent receiver duo of Derek Moye and Graham Zug return with their 13 combined touchdown receptions…but one of the big questions remains just who will throw them the ball.  You should expect inconsistent play at quarterback early in the year, which is one reason why I don’t give them much of a chance against Alabama in week two or at Iowa on October 2nd.  After that, and thanks to three cream puffs on the schedule, I think they could even out.

They will have to find some answers on defense to replace some excellent players.  Gone are SE Jared odrick and DE Jerome Hays.  Odrick is a huge loss; he could play inside and outside.  They also lose their entire starting linebacking trio of Josh Hull, Sean Lee and Navorro Bowman, plus excellent punter Jeremy Boone and his nearly 44 yard per punt average.

DL’s Jack Crawford and Ollie Ogbu return, so that is a good foundation up front.  Penn State always has linebackers in the live well, but I don’t think anyone can assume that this year’s PSU defense will be anywhere near last year’s group, even if that group was rarely at full speed because of injuries.

Still, there is talent in that program and I give their defense the benefit of the doubt after having watched them reload through the past few years.

Predicted Wins:  Youngstown State, Kent State, Temple, Illinois, @Minnesota, Michigan, NW, Indiana, MSU

Predicted Losses: @Alabama, @Iowa, @Ohio State

Predicted Bowl: Outback Bowl

NOTE:  I would wager that the Big Ten media will vote Ohio State first, Iowa second and Wisconsin third when we get to Chicago in early August.

FOR FRIDAY: It’s down to Iowa and Ohio State!

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  • DDHawkeye

    I can’t believe you have us losing to Michigan… come on Jon!

  • sportstalent

    I can’t believe you have PSU third when they lost all the talent the did on defense and have NO QB.

  • hawkeyehat

    Living in PA, all the talk this spring was about how horrid the PSU QB’s looked. They better hope a true freshman can win the job because the two they had fighting it out to be the starter didn’t look even close to capable.

  • Bryce

    Northwestern at 5-7 and Michigan at 9-3. Oohhhhh. Kaaaay. Somebody is having trouble letting go of the past.

  • Sirhouseman

    I don’t see Iowa losing at UM this year. I’m a bit surprised that you called this one Jon.

  • http://www.hawkeyenation.com jonmiller

    Sorry I didn’t pick Iowa to go 12-0 ;)

    I think they are going to lose at least one game…you’ll see how I call it tomorrow.

    As for disbelief in PSU in 3rd, Phil Steele also has them third. the Northwestern pick may wind up being wrong…but if I were worried about being wrong from time to time, I wouldn’t do this for a living :)

  • Edgiscript

    I’m not surprised by the pick to lose to Michigan. Michigan was down for the last 2 years and still came close to at least sending it to overtime last year. And I do think they’ll be better if Robinson gets the QB job from day 1.

    But I’ve got to say, Michigan has never, ever scared me as a Hawk fan. I’m not saying that I treat the game as an automatic W. Oh no. I respect them, but I don’t fear them. It seems like the Iowa Michigan game will always be a good one. With some exceptions on both sides of the field, it’s always close. Michigan went undefeated. What was their biggest scare? The Iowa game. Who was the only team to have a winning record against Michigan in the 80′s? Iowa. Even when Iowa lost 8 in a row to Michigan during the bad stretch where Fry was leaving and Ferentz was entering, most of the games were exciting and competitive.

    Ohio State has always scared me. Northwestern worries me. Penn State gives me confidence. Michigan makes me think it’s going to be one heck of a game even if one of us sucks on paper.

    I realize this is a psychological viewpoint and not an X’s and O’s viewpoint, but there you go.

  • DDHawkeye

    Sorry doesn’t make it right. We will be 12-0…. wait no….
    13-0!!!

  • theiowahawkeye

    Yeah, I don’t get the Michigan call either. I’d think we have a better chance of falling to Wisconsin than we do to Michigan.

  • Teddyhawk

    I completely agree in the prediction of something other than 12-0 for the hawks. But i think we will beat michigan on the road. They are going to improve, all that extra practice should help, they will have a lot of speed. But this is D1, everyone has speed. The three most physical teams in the league will be the three best UW, IA, and Ohio. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at a letdown year. The hawks could go to the rosebowl, but they could also disapoint. In sports, I hate the concept of luck, because players will always make plays with a purpose, but the hawks were lucky last year. We were a pair of crazy kick blocks away from having a winless conference season. But, next thing you know they are on the cover of SI! who knows.

  • IowaFanUNIAlum

    Let me see, you have PSU 3rd at 6-2 and Iowa losing to Michigan. So that means Iowa will be 7-1 with the lone loss to Michigan. So you’re predicting Iowa to beat OSU and share the Big 10 title with OSU. That means Iowa would go to the Rose Bowl or National Championship Game ahead of OSU. I like it.

  • IowaFanUNIAlum

    Teddyhawk says:
    May 27, 2010 at 11:29 am
    I completely agree in the prediction of something other than 12-0 for the hawks. But i think we will beat michigan on the road. They are going to improve, all that extra practice should help, they will have a lot of speed. But this is D1, everyone has speed. The three most physical teams in the league will be the three best UW, IA, and Ohio. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at a letdown year. The hawks could go to the rosebowl, but they could also disapoint. In sports, I hate the concept of luck, because players will always make plays with a purpose, but the hawks were lucky last year. We were a pair of crazy kick blocks away from having a winless conference season. But, next thing you know they are on the cover of SI! who knows.

    ————————

    What does blocking kicks vs UNI have to do with the conference season? Iowa also may have been 1 tackle away from being undefeated. You never know what would have happened vs OSU with Stanzi playing, but I do know that if he hadn’t gotten hurt then they would of beat NW.

  • jfish06

    So Jon, you’re saying Penn St. is going to beat Michigan head-to-head, have a better conference and overall record than Michigan … and the Capital One Bowl is STILL going to choose the Wolverines over the Blue Lions? I don’t buy it.

  • sportstalent

    PSU has not recruited well enough to replace all the talent they have lost. One quality player on the offensive line doesn’t mean they will have a good unit. Remember when people said JoePA lost it, well that talk will start again this year. Robert Newsome did nothing when he played and Robert Bolden will be a true freshman. The players that will be replacing all those starters had better be ready because they will be on the field a lot because the offense will not score. If the RB’s are as good as some believe they may make the o-line look better than they are, but if you can’t pass 3rd down will be the turnover down once teams take the run away. It is not possible to finish that high with such poor QB’s on the roster, no matter how much talent they may have.

  • jameskalina

    I think Northwestern is ranked too low and Michigan is ranked too high. Michigan could get beat by MSU, Wisconsin or Iowa or by a combination of these teams.

    Northwestern scares me. They seem to have Iowa’s number.

  • HadenWay

    Jon picked up the wrong glass of koolaid and drank out of Deace’s by mistake. :) Michigan is no longer one of the top two football teams in the B10 every year.

    Just to clarify how shaky the wolverines football progam is, I heard Mulva has placed his Michigan football jacket on ebay for sale.

  • YGS4HKS

    Good stuff, everyone has there opinion, but that was good Jon. I think that Penn State will struggle and should have been switched with Whisky, Clay will be tough and ball controlling. The only thing I have to say about the Michigan game is that good ol’ Normy gets 2 weeks to prepare for Michigan’s spread so that will be a big effect on the game and I think we will handle it better than we did last year, I don’t think they will score more than 14 points so it will be up to the offense like usual. Just my opinion.

  • Teddyhawk

    IowaFanUNIAlum:
    If we would of lost to UNI, I am not sure we would of won three games. Im not a huge believer in the idea of momentum, but our guys were playing as hard and as well as they were because of our record, and the streak we had going. If we lost that game, there is no way that the hawks would of had a successful season. That is my point. You don’t lose your opener to a non BCS team AT HOME and go on to have a good year. That game had everything to do with our conference season.

  • iloveyoularrystation

    I don’t got a problem with predicting them losing a game, but to Michigan? Michigans team will not be moving the ball at all on our defense, and their defense is atrocious. I’m more shocked that you have Michigan ranked that high period in the conference. They’re at best the 8th best team in the conference. Basically what i’m saying is; they’re really, really, really, really, really, really bad. My bet is you say Iowa beats ohio state, loses to michigan and ends up getting the bcs bid because of the head to head. Jon no way we lose to michigan, anyone else on the schedule maybe, but not Michigan.

  • sportstalent

    Keep on ripping the Wolverines, I smell jealousy. Michigan will be much better, their defense can’t get worse and their offense will have ball control and eat up clock, but have BIG play ability. Keep in mind the defense was in their 2nd system under a new coach for the 2nd time since Rich Rod has been there. Call me nutty and you probably will, but look at how the offense improved in the 2nd season, I don’t expect the defense to go from worst to top 3, but if the defense ranks anywhere in the top 6 they will have a chance to win 10 games. If they do not make a positive leap, then I do agree they could finish 8th, but I just don’t see that happening. They have youth and talent on defense, everyone makes a big deal of losing Brandon Graham, but obviously ONE player doesn’t make a team, the rest of the defense was young and inexperienced, just as the offense was the first season under Rodriguez. Michigan will be in a bowl, but if they get blown out the first game against UConn, who by the way is going to be very, very good, then Rich Rod may not make it to Game 2 with the fanbase in the state of panic it already is and the NCAA issues. I do agree they are not one of the two best teams in the Big Ten anymore, but right now there aren’t “two” best teams right now, it is Ohio State and everyone else, not to say that Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan don’t have a chance to unseat them because when all said and done you have to play?

  • sportstalent

    (hit wrong button, oops)..who would have predicted Purdue to beat OSU last season?

  • sportstalent

    Teddyhawk, you are correct, Iowa loses to UNI, they don’t go to the BCS, plain and simple.

  • iloveyoularrystation

    sportstalent i agree with you on two points: 1. you are nutty, 2. Michigan isn’t one of the two best teams in the Big Ten. After those two points you lose me brutha. Michigan isn’t even in the same tier as wisconsin, penn state, and iowa. Michigan is tier 3 right now in the big ten in football, and you ain’t smelling jealousy for that, you’re smelling how bad the wolverines stink right now. You’re a good guy, excellent poster and all, but anybody thinking Michigan is winning 10 games needs to slow down; they may not win 10 games total over the next two years, that’s how bad they are.

  • IowaFanUNIAlum

    Teddyhawk says:
    May 28, 2010 at 10:48 am
    IowaFanUNIAlum:
    If we would of lost to UNI, I am not sure we would of won three games. Im not a huge believer in the idea of momentum, but our guys were playing as hard and as well as they were because of our record, and the streak we had going. If we lost that game, there is no way that the hawks would of had a successful season. That is my point. You don’t lose your opener to a non BCS team AT HOME and go on to have a good year. That game had everything to do with our conference season.

    ————–

    The 2007 Michigan team lost the season and home opener to Appalacian State in a heartbreaker, but went on to beat Florida in a January 1st bowl game, sure Iowa wouldn’t have made the Orange Bowl, but they would have made a decent to good bowl game.

  • sportstalent

    I was at the App St./Michigan game and they were missing multiple starters due to injury, including Mike Hart and Henne was ineffective due to the shoulder injury he sustained and Michigan had multiple starters on defense that didn’t play after halftime due to their fine performance in the first half. If I recollect, Iowa didn’t have anyone out on defense and the defense was one of the better in the Big Ten last year. Iowa did have Bulaga and Calloway out, one for health the other for driving intoxicated on a moped. Remeber this though, Michigan got drilled the next week by Oregon and was not the team they “should” have been all season. Iowa had their team in order for the most part during and after that game against UNI. Iowa would definitely have struggled last season if they don’t win the first game. I don’t remember, but was ISU the next game and wasn’t it closer than expected? If Iowa loses that game against UNI, there is a possible carryover to the next. Another thing, you can’t compare the Michigan loss and the Iowa win, Michigan was expected to contend for the National Championship, was Iowa last season, so the expectation level was a little different, but the effect would have been no different. Obviously, Iowa worked itself into a “contender” but not until they beat PSU. Losing to UNI would have been a letdown, but not like the letdown the Michigan team experienced.

  • sportstalent

    And by the way App St. won the National Championship at their level the same year they beat Michigan as they were expected to…UNI went to the semi’s last season, right, maybe they win it if they beat Iowa…

  • sportstalent

    One last thing, the Big Ten was not as good in 2007 as it is now, so another reason not to compare the Michigan loss to the near loss of Iowa, they also played a horrible ND team that gave them some confidence and reeled off 8 in a row when done, but lost to the quality teams of Wisconsin and OSU…nobody else on the schedule was really noteworthy.

  • mgr4hawks

    where is the last article for #1 and #2.

  • kuhntz

    Yeah apparently Jon forgot to finish his series………..

  • Teddyhawk

    Sportstalent, thanks man. I agree with everything you have said. IowaFanUNIalum, i can infer about your fanhood from your cite name, and please don’t think i am trying to bring UNI down. As an Iowan i am rooting for them too. But every week this past season was a question of “Can the hawks stay undefeated?”. And that was what drove them to their success. That is also why it hurt so much when they lost to NU. If IA would have lost the opener, all of that would be nonexistent.

  • sportstalent

    No problem, I am here to help!
    Also, I root for UNI when they play and even have chuckled when the knock off the big boys, I wish them luck this season and every season moving forward.

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