Thursday, May 17, 2012

Updated on Sunday, February 14th, 2010 at 9:47 pm in Football.

Nebraska To the Big Ten?

Nebraska To the Big Ten?

Sorry of the headline was a bit misleading; no, there is no imminent announcement.

But Nebraska Athletics Director Tom Osborne gave some quotes Friday that are worth filing away:

“I haven’t heard anything from (Big Ten commissioner) Jim Delany, so you don’t know exactly what they’re thinking,” Osborne said Thursday. “We haven’t entered into any formal talks with anybody right now. We’re focusing on the Big 12. But I don’t think that means if somebody wanted to pick up the phone and call us, that we’d hang up on them. You listen.”

The entire article, with some commentary from Steven M. Sipple, can be read here. Seriously, give that article a read. Sipple, a person whom I have met and spent some time with and find to be an agreeable guy, might be the lone realist in the state of Nebraska. He understands that while the Cornhuskers have a rich tradition, they are lagging behind their contemporaries in the Big Ten and SEC, and the Big 12 does not treat Nebraska the same way it treats Texas or Oklahoma.

Another reality would be this; If Texas A&M could turn things around, Nebraska might be 4th in that league’s pecking order.

Osborne and Sipple see the writing on the wall; the Big Ten is going to do something, and the Pac 10 might, too. Colorado has always seemed like a possible Pac 10 expansion team. They have a history of recruiting Southern California. Denver, which is less than an hour south of Boulder, is a western Ellis Island, the new Gateway to the West.

Dominoes are going to begin to fall within the next 12 months or so, and the Cornhuskers could be caught with their pants around their stalks without the same capital that an Oklahoma or a Texas has.

Enter the Big Ten…

Nebraska is a small population state and it would not bring much, if any, bang for its TV buck, which is something the league has to look at and will. Their olympic sports would fit in nicely, but theirs isn’t an academic home run, either.

But let’s get real here; football is king. Football revenue is king. Nebraska has one of the best traveling fanbases in the sport, and they would be a solid addition to the bowl structure the league enjoys, and provide some western balance to a realigned league from a geographical sense.

Envision this sort of a set up for football:

DIVISION A
Michigan
Ohio State
Michigan State
Purdue
Indiana
Northwestern

DIVISION B
Iowa
Nebraska
Penn State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Minnesota

I realize that PSU is the farthest school to the east and would play in a mostly western division. But PSU would have just three road trips to the ‘far west’ at worst per year, which can happen right now.

As for Iowa, it would be likely that they would be in the same division as Nebraska, which would mean the Hawkeyes and Cornhuskers would play each year. Now that is something I would very much look forward to, and the rivalry that could come from that would be something special, especially on sports talk radio in Des Moines.

Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said on Friday that the league has not spoken with anyone.

He said the following, among other things: “There were reports a few weeks ago about one institution [Pitt],” Delany told WSCR. “This week, there were reports about another institution [Texas]. I can report to you guys we haven’t had any informal or formal interface with any institutions. We’re in the process of an internal study, and we’ll take those studies and those options and talk to our athletic directors, who then will pass on their thoughts to our presidents. I hope, by the spring or the summer, we’ll have an idea of what it is we’d like to try to do, if anything.”

I don’t think the Big Ten is going to sit by and do nothing, not with the winds of change blowing the way they are (Sorry, Scorpions). So the league might have an idea on what direction it wants to go here in a few months…then more months would come and go as the league talked with a few schools it has targeted.

I’d still prefer Notre Dame join the Big Ten over anyone. That would be best for the league and another great team to play, as Iowa and the Irish would likely be in the same division. Texas also makes financial sense, and that is putting it lightly. But if not those two, then I hope Nebraska is someone near the top of the list…that would add more flavor to an Iowa football season.

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  • kuhntz

    IF that were to happen…PSU has to stay out east. There is no balance pitting

    PSU OSU
    Nebby vs
    Iowa Mich
    Wisky

    I know Jon you don’t believe the B10 will keep OSU, MICH, and PSU in the same division but in all honesty you can’t believe it would be so unbalanced to have them over there.

    Lets just hope there is no expansion.

  • WhitUp

    If Notre Dame won’t come, then I vote for Nebby, the Mizzou/Pitt/Rutgers of the world don’t excite me at all. Playing Nebby every year would be awesome, I see it becoming a bigger rivalry then Iowa State. Plus another short road trip to Lincoln would be awesome. Just the thought of shutting Husker fans up gets me excited. And then eventually we could expand to 14 when Notre Dame finally comes around.

  • rmsutherland

    Nebby would be my second choice, behind Texas. Either of those two schools would make me happy. Mizzu/Rutgers/Pitt just doesn’t get me excited.

  • UP6936

    I think Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska (or Texas, or Notre Dame)could be as dominant of a trio in a potential western conference as Michigan, Ohio St. and Penn St. could be in a potential eastern conference, so I absolutely do not buy having the eastern most school in the conference (by a good margin) being placed in the western conference. Sure, travel is not nearly as much of a big deal as it used to be, but there is still a huge psychologoical barrier to be over come. People have an innate need for sense and order. Penn St. in the west would be very untidy.

  • eamusbuteo

    I still say Notre Dame or bust. I might listen to Texas. But I won’t be sad if they ‘study’ expansion and decide to do nothing. The league makes boatloads of money now. The only reason they should allow another school to get a piece of the pie is if that school can increase the size of the entire pie. I think only Notre Dame and Texas would do that – not including a conference championship.

  • NewMexHawk

    I would love to see Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska join although that might be a bit much. And the State of Texas might not let Texas leave without A&M so it might have to be Texas, A&M and Nebraska and Nebraska, which would be ok.

    After turning down the Big 10, if those other schools joined ND would be on the outside looking in…and that would be fine with me. Then all that would need happen is Michigan, MSU, and Purdue cancel their series with ND. Then ND would have to try to fill their schedule with non-Big 10 teams. Wouldn’t that be fun watching them try to do that…

  • MelroseHawkins

    Screw Notre Dame. They have been leeches sucking on the Big 10 teams revenue for years. And worst, our conference & teams have let them! We should have cut the cord with them yrs ago & watch them implode on NBC. I would care less if they joined, although, they do make sense academically which is important to the Big 10.

    What if the Big 10 kind of pushed the pace with Texas (the golden choice) & kind of gave them an alta matum (sp), like, “Will give you until …… to decide to be a part of the Big 10″. If no answer by …… unfortunately we will have to move on with other plans” And if they don’t accept, offer Nebraska & Missouri from the Big 12. Texas would realize the Big 12 might be imploding & bite on the offer if given a reasonable deadline. They may panic a bit & take it not to lose out on the Big10 $$. The Big 10 could really push their decision if they were to offer OK as the 3rd Big 12 team to join. It’s going to get interesting the next 12-18 months. I agree the Big 10 is not going to sit back & this is one time they are going to be proactive.

  • PimScutney

    If you look back to the early part of the 1900s, you’ll see Minnesota was a prominent team that won some NCs. It didn’t take long for them to lose that and now 60 years later they are struggling to get back to a place they will never be again. Nebraska is on its way down this path. They’ve now gone one full kindergarten through 12th grade out of prominence so fewer and fewer kids understand or care about the tradition from almost two decades ago. Nebraska is a cold-weather state so regaining ground is going to be difficult. In 10-20 years, there will less prestige in having Nebraska in the Big10 as there would be in adding Missouri or Pitt right now. At least those two teams carry major television markets. If you look to the future, Nebraska is headed down a path that will add nothing to the Big10. You might think its intriguing to play them each year, but beating them now is already a “so what” win on the national level. It didn’t exactly propel ISU into the national spotlight this year after beating Nebraska.

  • mavhawk

    As a football and wrestling fan, its best to have Nebraska join the big ten. They are very competitive in both sports.

  • MelroseHawkins

    “It didn’t take long for them to lose that and now 60 years later they are struggling to get back to a place they will never be again. Nebraska is on its way down this path.” — PimScutney

    Don’t tell Nebraska fan that. They still think they are the s–t!!! It’s funny, the whole state has this same health phenomenon, they all can only remember 1980-1991.

  • HUSKERMAN

    First of all, Nebraska’s glory days did not end in 1991. The Huskers won 3 national championships in the mid ’90′s. Something Iowa has NEVER even played for! Nebraska’s 1995 National Championship team has been repeatedly voted the single greatest college football team of all time!!! Secondly, Nebraska played Miami for the national championship as recently as 2001. So get your facts straight, MelroseHawkins!! If the Big 10 were to add Nebraska it would be adding more than just a football sleeping giant that has recently awoken. Nebraska currently has an undefeated women’s basketball team ranked in the top 5. They have an outstanding wrestling program. They also have one of the best volleyball programs in the country. Then there’s the baseball and softball teams that year in and year out go deep into the playoffs. Nebraska’s gymnastics teams are always outstanding as well. Lastly, a Nebraska-Iowa football game would be great to watch every year because Iowa would have to play a football program that kicked their ass the last two times they played Nebraska and the Huskers would annually continue to kick Iowa’s overrated asses!! But I honestly don’t think the Big 10 will add Nebraska because Kirk Ferentz is afraid to play Nebraska and he’ll put pressure on the Big 10 to invite some wimpy school like Rutgers or Cincinnati.

  • kuhntz

    Mr. Huskerfan….Nebraska would never agree to a home and home against Iowa unless they were to join the B10 and forced into. We would love to play you. The last 2 times we played were during the transition years from Fry to KF.

    This overrated Iowa team won in Ames last year 35-3…that same Ames team beat you at home 9-7………………… Just sayin.

  • pdxhawk

    Texas will not be joining the Big 10. Delaney has said that they are looking to retain some semblance of geographic logic & proximity. Iowa is the closest to Austin, and that’s still over 1000 miles away. Happy Valley to Austin is 1700 miles. Not gonna happen. Texas to the Big 10 is crazy talk and makes no sense. Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Missouri, Nebraska. I think it’s likely to be one of those.

  • jameskalina

    I think Missouri is a logical addition because of the television markets (St. Louis and Kansas City). It gives more exposure to the Big Ten.

    Granted, the Nebraska vs. Iowa annual match up would be good for both states, but I’m not sure how much Nebraska adds to the Big Ten conference overall for exposure.

    And Huskerman, for your information, this “overrated” Iowa team just won the Orange Bowl (beating ACC champion Georgia Tech) and finished 7th in the country. This “overrated” Iowa football program has finished in the top 8 four of the past eight years. Fewer than 10 football programs can match this record and Nebraska is not one of them.

  • HUSKERMAN

    To kuhntz-all of college football knows that Iowa State’s upset of Nebraska was a total fluke made possible by eight turnovers. Iowa State didn’t beat Nebraska. Nebraska beat themselves. Even coach Rhodes admitted that after the game. The two ass kickings Iowa took by Nebraska may have been in Ferentz’s first two years but it was also early in Solich’s coaching stint. Nebraska was also in transition. So your transition argument makes no sense. Stop making excuses. If Solich could win big with the previous coach’s players then Ferentz should have been able to as well. And for your information, one of the first things Pelini did as head coach was to call Iowa’s athletic director to set up a home and home. Iowa turned him down. I guess Iowa would rather play 1AA Northern Iowa, a team that should have beaten them last year if not for the “lucky” two blocked field goals. And since we’re talking about common opponents from last season, there’s Arizona. I remember watching Iowa struggle against Arizona last year only to see Iowa pull out the win. When Nebraska played Arizona, the Wildcats were at full strength after having had the entire season to jell as a team. Nebraska totally destroyed Arizona!! Come on Iowa, man up and schedule Nebraska. But you won’t, because Nebraska is a sleeping giant that has just woken up and nobody wants to play them now. CHICKENS!!!

  • JonDMiller

    Husker

    Iowa did nit outright refuse the series. The dates that each school had available did not work for the other school. And Iowa has their primary non conference opponents scheduled out past 2015 at that time two years ago.

  • Cosity82

    As much as I want to play Nebraska and shut those tards up, would it really be worth to then have to put up wtih them ALL the time. They are seriously the WORST college football fans to be around.

  • Caven

    The only time both schools had the same open dates was a few years ago when Missouri cancelled out of their contract with Iowa. At that time Iowa contacted Nebraska but since Iowa was in the middle of a good run and Nebraska was in the middle of yet another coaching change, Nebraska declined because they wanted an easier school to help with the coaching transition but would be more than happy to play us in the future. Nebraska then contacted Iowa as stated by Jon above but it didn’t work out due to open dates. The teams are open to playing each other – they just have to find something that works when Nebraska feels like they have a chance to actually win the game :)

    Info on Nebraska declining is from an assistant coach who used to live next door.

  • kuhntz

    Mr. Huskerfan….you remember Iowa struggling with Arizona? That same game where Iowa lead 27-10 with under 2 minutes to go? Where their only TD came off a Stanzi ball? I was impressed with the way Nebby handled AZ in the bowl…but to consider Iowa’s game against them lucky to pull out, just show’s how ignorant you are.

  • http://www.hawkeyenation.com seepig

    Hey Kuhntz you are correct. Don’t pay huskerman any nevermind he is locked into the BIG RED stupor that their entire thankless fanbase is…still living the glory days of Bob Devaney and Tom Osbourne. When they lose it’s either the Refs, the wind blowing the wrong direction or some stupid thing. I grew up around that crap my entire childhood. Nothing would please me more than seeing them get beat by Iowa, PSU, and OSU on more than a few occassions. Before this bowl win their biggest win in recent memory was that sham finish in the Alamo bowl where the refs DID in fact steal the game from the Wolverines.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to kuhntz-I also remember Iowa struggling with 1AA Northern Iowa, Michigan State, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Penn State and Ohio State. Iowa only dominated one team all year but because they survived and moved on and found themselves at 9-0 heading into the Northwestern game, the BCS felt obligated to rank them in their top ten. It’s called winning with smoke and mirrors. Just because Iowa was 9-0 didn’t mean they were a good team. They survived, that’s all. They didn’t dominate. Now they go out and recruit 2A football players from farm towns in Iowa rather than blue chip athletes from the south. James Morris? Tanner Miller? A’J Derby? Come on. Did anybody else in America recruit those guys? Probably not! Enjoy this next season Hawkeye fans. You have every difficult team on your schedule coming to Iowa City. You are set up perfectly for a run at a national championship. But if you don’t get it done this year, it won’t get done. Stanzi leaves, your schedule the following year actually has some tough road games and guys like Morris and Miller will be your starters. How long has Ferentz been at Iowa? Eleven years? And not a national championship? Not even played for the title! How long are you loud mouth Iowa fans gonna’ wait on Ferentz to deliver? And with slow, Iowa plowboys getting scholarships rather than quick, blue chip athletes from the big cities, Iowa won’t ever play for a title with Ferentz at the helm. So enjoy your run next year because your glory days are numbered. And don’t be surprised if you find yourself in the title game with Nebraska. The Huskers have virtually their entire offense, defense and special teams back. They get most of their tough games in Lincoln and Pelini’s 4A and 5A recruits that he’s redshirted will be starters this coming season. I can only hope and pray that Nebraska gets the chance to kick Iowa’s ass AGAIN!!

  • riverhawk62

    How convenient haskerdude that you fail to mention the ONLY real dynasty left in college sports:Iowa Wrestling.When that Locomotive come rolling into the Qwest Center,March 18,Omaha & the state of(what is the state of??)Nebraska will never see the liking of this domination again.
    Total domination.& you want to compare all the girly-man sports you SAY huskerville is sucessfull in to ANY Iowa sports??You are hilarious.
    Little bo-peep is the same as bill callahan:No class,no coaching abilities.zero,nadda,none.You get BEAT by Isu & you want to howl about Iowas’s record??
    You are the definition of comedy relief.
    By the Way:The big12 north is soooooooooooo weak,none of these schools would come close to being .500 in the BIG10.Not even close.
    Isu:please.misery:are you serious?.Both Kansas schools;come on football??.Colorado;what an after thought.That leaves the LUCKIEST football program ever,to win the easiest scheduale in the land.:the mighty dirt-clod huskers.How’s the weather today in scotts bluff,huskergirl??

  • riverhawk62

    BTW huskermale(are we sure?)that crusty ‘ol cheat,sometimes known as tom osborne,KNOWS very well that huskerville can’t bring anything,nothing,zero to the table,in order to be added to the BIG10.He is very afraid of being left out.
    BTN(the BIG TEN Network)is in 73,000,000 home today transman.Thats 24/7,365 days a year of THE BIG10 brand & no one can find anything on the big12.Your tired old goofy conference still has games on pay-per-view…what a laffer.The big12 has 1 school,texas & that school is overrated.
    Any chance huskerguy you can live in the present?
    didn’t think so.
    Kirk Ferentz would beat little-bo-peep,eight days a week.Out coach him,out class him,get back on the bus huskerdude,you can’t measure up(in ALL ways)to the University of Iowa & the BIG10.
    Deal w/ it.

  • kuhntz

    Mr. Huskerfan….your ignorance has allowed me to leave this thread. Thank you.

  • jameskalina

    Huskerman, to put things in perspective Iowa decisively beat three teams who finished in the top 15 (Penn State, Wisconsin and Georgia Tech) and lost to Ohio State at Columbus in overtime; a team that beat Oregon and finished in the top 5.

    Most teams who finish in the top 10 find ways to win a close game or two during the regular season and that is what makes a team a top ten team, they find ways to win close games and at times against a team that is a heavy underdog. Check it out. Every year a a few top ten team struggles against a lesser team or two but finds a way to win the game. Case in point, back in the 1990′s Nebraska beat Missouri (a heavy under dog) on a 4th down pass play that was deflected by a Missouri defender but a Nebraska player managed to catch the deflected ball before the ball hit the ground for the go ahead TD on the last play of the game. Had he not caught the ball Nebraska would not have won the NC.

  • riverhawk62

    as w/ all fans from huskerville,that’s just down the road from hoooterville,none of them have a calendar.They have no reference of what year it is.They can’t live in the present,becuz if they did,they will realize that the skinny “n’s” do not matter.Get an hour outside of omaha & no-one cares,let alone follows this also-ran program.Did we mention the years,very recently,where their “storied” program was being out-scored 125-25 per game?.No,i don’t think they want to talk about that.The bottom line:they don’t matter & never will again.(comaparing nebraska womans basketball,volleyball,gymnastics to Iowa Wrestling & Iowa Football!!!,what a girly-man university)

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-I wasn’t comparing any “girly” sports to Iowa. I was simply explaining that Nebraska was more than a football school. Other than their men’s basketball program, they are quite successful at all of their other sports. If Nebraska and Iowa were to play each other in every sport, Iowa would beat Nebraska in wrestling and in football the home team would win. But Nebraska would beat Iowa in all other sports. Baseball, softball, women’s basketball, gymnastics, volleyball, etc. The Big Ten will choose a school who brings more than just football. That’s why Nebraska is a perfect fit for the conference. But your limited Iowa school logic failed to understand my simple point. Why am I not surprised? And by the way, The Big 12 has more than just Texas. I don’t see Iowa playing Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. If Iowa were to play either of those teams as well as Texas in football, the Hawkeyes MIGHT come away with one win in three tries. That win would be against Oky State. And it was Oky State who helped Iowa get that BCS at large bid. If Oky State had not gotten beat by Oklahoma, Iowa doesn’t go to the Orange Bowl. Iowa can also thank Pitt and Nebraska for losing at the end of the year. If either one of those teams wins, Iowa doesn’t go to the Orange Bowl. Just shows you how LUCKY Iowa is to be in a conference that doesn’t have a conference championship game. Most of the BCS conferences play their way into a BCS bowl game. Iowa sits at home and watches very good teams lose in that extra game, then watches a BCS at large bid fall into their laps. What a joke!! To address your assumtion that the Big 12 North is weak. Well look at the coaching turnover in the North. All but Missouri has gotten a new head coach in the last 3 years. Any time you have 5 out 6 teams with a new coach you’re going to have a drop in recruiting as well as wins. But the Big 12 is not just the North You failed to mention the dominance of the South. I don’t see Iowa scheduling any Big 12 South schools. Why is that?

  • HUSKERMAN

    By the way riverhawk62, that horrible 4 year stint at Nebraska you were referring to where teams routinely destroyed Husker teams, that was due to a terrible coaching change. The former AD at Nebraska brought in Callahan because of his offensive mind. They failed to bring in a defensive minded coach. They learned a very difficult and painful lesson. Just like what Iowa men’s basketball is going through right now with Lickliter. He’s the wrong coach. The Hawks suck at basketball. They won’t even make the NIT! Sometimes AD’s make the wrong choice. That’s why Nebraska went back to a coach from within the Husker family in Pelini. And look at the results. Nineteen wins in his first 2 years. Two bowl wins. Recruiting is way up and the future looks great. What did Ferentz accomplish his first 2 years? I remember Iowa fans wanted to run Ferentz out of town! Looks like Pelini is way ahead of Ferentz when comparing the first 2 years of each coach’s tenure. Give Pelini eleven years like Ferentz has had and see how many times Nebraska plays for and possibly wins national titles. Eleven years and Ferentz hasn’t even made a title game. He’s a very good coach but he’s not good enough to take a team of local plowboys to a title game. Admit it. Morris and Miller and Derby are not 5 star blue chip players. They’ll get you wins at home and maybe 9 or 10 wins a year but aren’t you getting tired of watching two other teams, one of them usually from the Big 12, playing for the national championship?!

  • riverhawk62

    As always huskerdude,you fail to deal in current facts.No answer for the BTN? didn’t think so.A conf. that still shows games on pay-per view,wildly stupid management.That’s what your pointed-head-logic doesn’t understand.That ‘ol,over-rated coach t.o.,can’t deliver the tv viewers that the BIG10 demands.You don’t have the following for what it takes to step up & be a part of a “brand” that huskerville is “dying & longing” for.The big12 has limited,strange,wierd,inconsisitant marketing.Again,today,the BTN is in 73,000,000 homes!!,24/7,365 days a year.& there is NO-WAY,the big12 can start a network now,not w/ these economic time,plus,they donts have the poulation to justify it.The BTN is in Des Moines,Minneapolis,Chicago,Indianapolis,Cleveland,Cincinati,Philadelphia,Pittsburg,etc.Major metro areas that deliver the tv sets that the’old chaet Tom Osborne can’t.Oh yeah,conf. championships are really good for your po-dunk conf.,…………..up untill this year,the combined score for the last 5 was 755-55,south over north.That says a-lot about how gr8t your championship games look to the rest of the world.The bottom line huskercaveman,is you can’t live in the present.&,as always,your “win” record is tied to a weak schedule & pure luk.Please,don’t look @ strength of schedule:n-boys,#58.Iowa,#28th.Bottom line:why do you “ALWAYS” deal in “IF’s” & not logical facts??Can’t handle it?,can’t read?,you were abused as a child?,which is it,…..please explain.

  • riverhawk62

    As my theme says:living in the present.Also,know answer for the Iowa Hawkeye Wrestling dynasty?Didn’t think so.22 National Championships(soon to be 23)Currently ranked #1,23-0.8 shut-outs,the list goes on & on & on,w/ this punishing dynasty.Again,hide the weak,the lame & the insecure,cuz when the Hawkeye Wrestling train rolls into the Qwest Center on March 18th,the ground will quake for miles & miles around Omaha.& the best part?You’ll have to read about it each & every day.

  • riverhawk62

    ‘fess up huskerdude,you sit on the couch,Capn’Crunch spilling onto your shirt,watching the BTN,& saying,”gosh,i wish we had a channel that shows my cornholers doin’ what they do(insert laff sound here)so i could do headstands while wearing my warm,fuzzy go-big-red pajammas,in the comfort of my nice mobile-home,…LOL!!

  • Tony

    Whats this crap about having to have “blue chip” recruits? Weren’t
    Dallas Clark and Shonn Greene less than blue chip? Was USC, Florida or Texas beating down Brad Banks’ door? Yeah, Nebraska had a great run. Hell, I’m still proud of Nile Kinnick…but that doesn’t mean crap in 2010. And a little side note…that great hire Neb. AD made with Pelini? I guess not everyone there is an idiot, why wouldnt you hire a Hawkeye to show a bunch of corn huskin morons how to play football?

  • HUSKERMAN

    riverhawk62-you seem to be carrying on an argument with yourself. I never questioned Iowa’s dominance in wrestling. I never questioned the Big Ten Networks far reaching signal. Why are you harping on topics I happen to agree with you on? The Big Ten Network is quite an awesome network. I admit that. That’s the reason I never argued with you about it. We agree on the BTN. I live within 30 miles of Iowa City. I root for Iowa wrestling! I’ve been to Carver-Hawkeye Arena several times to see Iowa wrestlers kick the shit out of their opponents. When it comes to Iowa wrestling you are preaching to the choir. I AM A FAN!! Stop arguing with me on topics we agree on. But the Iowa wrestling program is the only Iowa sport I cheer for. I’ve also been to Kinnick Stadium to see Iowa football games. I am a Husker fan all the way!!! But I do respect Iowa’s kick ass dominance in wrestling. You keep calling Tom Osborne a cheater yet you give no proof. You do realize he had 255 wins and only 47 losses, right? That’s not a cheater. That’s one hell of a football coach! He could have had another national championship in ’84 had he kicked the extra point and tied Miami but he went for 2 and lost. That was the classiest move most people have ever seen in college football! He was a true gentleman. He never cussed. His football program was never on any kind of probation. He tried to recruit fine, young gentlemen to play football for him even though he occasionally got a bad apple, like Lawrence Phillips. He had to put up with Barry Switzer and his arrogance every year. One year, 1978 I think, Nebraska finally beat Oklahoma and who did the Orange Bowl pick as an opponent for Nebraska? Oklahoma! And you know what? Osborne didn’t complain one bit. Most coaches would have cried foul and bitched to the media. It wasn’t a fair move on the Orange Bowl’s part but Osborne, the gentleman that he was, took on the challenge of playing the Sooners twice in the same year and he rose above the name calling and complaining. And as an Athletic Director, Nebraska sports in general have been quite successful. He’s a winner at everything he does!! So where is your proof that he’s a cheater? By the way, the reason the Big 12 South has dominated the North is because the South has tenured head football coaches who have established programs. The North has 5 teams with new coaches with less than 3 years experience. I pointed that out to you earlier today but I guess your Hawkeye limited brain capacity was unable to understand my point. But I noticed you failed to answer my question when I asked you why the all mighty Iowa football program won’t schedule any Big 12 South teams. Afraid? If Iowa is gonna’ be an elite team they’re going to have to eventually drop 1AA Northern Iowa and play a tough team. Nebraska has played Big Ten teams in the past. Check their past schedules. They blew out Michigan State twice. Kicked the shit out of Iowa twice. Beat up on Minnesota twice. Shall I go on? They beat Michigan in the Alamo Bowl. They beat Michigan State in the Alamo Bowl when Pelini was the interim coach. I think that makes the score Nebraska 8 Big Ten 0 !!! And that’s in just the last 15 years. Because God knows if I bring up any Nebraska football wins that go back farther than 15 years I’ll get branded as some Husker fan who’s still living in the past. You also failed to answer my question when I asked you how much longer Iowa fans will be patient with Ferentz not even getting near a national championship game. How many millions does he make and he’s been at Iowa 11 years with no title to show for it!! Oh, I noticed an Iowa running back defected today. Bet he sits out a year and goes to a school where he thinks he’ll play for a title. Not at Iowa. He knows Iowa will lose, AGAIN, to Ohio State!! Ha Ha!!

  • HUSKERMAN

    Tony-Dallas Clark is one of those rare Iowa boys who can play a skill position and play it well. Just like Ahman Green, out of Omaha, was at Nebraska. Guys like those two don’t come along very often. My point was that Nebraska rarely gives an in state kid a full ride scholarship to play a skill position. They give out lots of scholarships to in state boys to play the line but very rarely to play a skill position. Nebraska hands out scholarships to the speedy 4 and 5 star recruits out of Florida or Texas or California. Iowa, on the other hand, just gave out 2 scholarships to two Iowa boys who played running back at little Solon and tiny Mid Prairie. I think they might be 2 star recruits at best. My point is that with a limited amount of scholarships why would a supposed “elite” football program use up 2 valuable scholarships to bring in two little town Iowa boys to play skill positions? I highly doubt Tanner Miller or James Morris will ever start at Iowa at running back. Now I see where Iowa will put Miller at a defensive back and Morris at a linebacker. Even at that, I wouldn’t have recruited either of those guys to play anything at Iowa. They’re the kind of kids that should be heading to Northern Iowa, not Iowa. Several years ago Iowa State used a scholarship on Todd Miller, a quick, elusive little running back out of Mt. Pleasant. He spent four years at ISU and never started at running back. He returned punts and he didn’t even do that very well. In comparison, Nebraska recruited and signed the #1 running back out of Ohio. A big, quick monster out of the big city who played against 4 and 5 star athletes every Friday night. Brad Banks was recruited out of the south, I believe, because of his quickness. That’s just my point. The states in the south produce an over abundance of speedy players. That’s where Iowa needs to recruit running backs and wide receivers and defensive backs. Not out of Iowa, unless there’s another Dallas Clark hiding in the corn fields.

  • Edgiscript

    Jon,

    Here’s a question I haven’t heard answered yet. Are contracts concerning non-conference games being considered? If Nebraska joins the Big Ten, (or anybody else) many Big Ten teams may have to adjust non-conference schedules and possibly renig on a few deals, but Nebraska has not only a non-conference schedule, but a Big 12 schedule that it would renig on.

    I guess what I was thinking was that if Nebraska, or Texas, or whoever, joined the Big Ten, how far after the announcement do they actually join? If I remember correctly, with Penn State they waited one year, but they were an independent at the time with no previous conference memership backlash to consider.

  • riverhawk62

    please,huskerthing,these facts remain:
    * the skinny “n”s have by far the easiest schedule in the country for 2010:cupcakes on the non-conf.texas @ home.no Ok.@ wash.Don’t believe me?,check w/ the experts.A lucky,lucky slate(big12 North?,OMG,….that’s NOT football)
    *Iowa would walk thru the big12 north.NO WAY,the 6 big12 north teams are even .500 in the BIG10.
    *This “bluechip” crap is just that,crap.Back in the day,when you could horde players(125 scholarships),…….not so today(85),many good players everywhere.
    *live in the present.Iowa,better coach,better program,better team,better competition.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-Yes, Nebraska has a favorable schedule this upcoming year. But that doesn’t happen very often. Last year Nebraska had to travel to Mizzou, Kansas, Colorado and Virginia Tech. They hosted Oklahoma and Texas Tech. This coming year all of Nebraska’s tough games will be in Lincoln, except the game against Jake Locker and the Washington Huskies. The Big 12 North conference schedule flip flops every other year. So one year it could be full of tough road games and the next year those tough teams come to Lincoln. But just look at Iowa’s schedule. It’s even easier than Nebraska’s. Every tough team on on Iowa’s schedule comes to Iowa City! And you say Nebraska has the easiest schedule in the country? You need a reality check!! At least you don’t see Nebraska scheduling any 1AA schools. They may schedule some cup cakes, and who doesn’t do that, but they don’t schedule any 1AA schools. And if you look at Nebraska’s pre conference schedules going back several years, you’ll notice that they always schedule one team that is fairly good if not down right very good. They just finished a home and home with Virginia Tech. Before that they played a home and home with USC. They just signed a home and home contract with Miami of Florida. Like I said before. If you wanna’ be an elite football program you can’t shy away from the tough games. There may come a day when Iowa and another team are both ranked very high and the deciding factor on who gets to play for the national title may come down to strength of schedule. If I were Iowa I would drop 1AA Northern Iowa and I’d pick up a fairly competitive team that isn’t down right great like an Oky State or an Oregon or maybe a Tennessee or possibly a Notre Dame. That just might put Iowa over the top and be what they need to convince the pollsters that they are an elite program. So before you call Nebraska’s schedule the easiest in the country, look at your own team’s schedule first!

  • riverhawk62

    #1-past years for sure,maybe even last year(you were beat by Isu,sorry,anyway u slice that’s a fact(stop using the “fluke” word also)UNI would beat the mighty huskers.
    #2-when i went to husker games as a child(11-12 years old)the close relative we went w/(a gr8t guy & a gbr thru & thru)was a very “logical” husker fan(a VERY rare breed)upon going thru the gates & seeing that “wierd,arrogant,stupid” sign,(“thru these gates pass the …………..,…………..)i asked him,why,how do they know this??His reply,as he laffed:”They don’t!!”, we have laughed @ that ever since.
    #3-you see huskerwannabe,the entire country laughs @ huskerville.Why?(other than being mean spirited & football-stupid)
    they have a sence of “ENTITLEMENT”.We are the “huskers” we “deserve to be a good-football team”.BS!!! no-1 deserves anything & espically a bunch of dirt-clod-stuck-in-the-past-blind-A-HOLES that are @ best,…..wierd.
    *Good-day my friend,& good luk(though w/ that,2010 “schedule”,you won’t need any).
    BTW:Iowa beat a:big12 team,a PAC10 team & an ACC team in 2009.Can’t schedule any tuffer than that,out of Conference.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-Nobody in their right mind would think that UNI could beat Nebraska. The game wouldn’t even be close. It would probably be like the Holiday Bowl where Arizona didn’t cross midfield until halfway through the fourth quarter when Nebraska started putting in their fourth and fifth string. UNI does not have the athletes to compete with a school that recruits and starts 4 and 5 star recruits. UNI nearly upset Iowa because Iowa rarely lands a 4 star recruit, let alone a 5 star recruit. The talent gap between Iowa and UNI is not that wide. However, if UNI were to go into Lincoln, Nebraska’s blue chip recruits would embarrass them and the game would be a blowout. I like coach Farley up at UNI. He gets the most out of other people’s leftovers. He takes kids that nobody else wants and wins with them. He really should be coaching at a D1 school. But for you to say that UNI would beat Nebraska just shows that you’re trying to get a reaction out of me and that won’t happen. I won’t stoop to your level.
    Nebraska has great tradition. That’s what you’ll see at any Nebraska game. The sayings on the walls or the chants and the cheers or the way they conduct themselves all goes back to the early ’60′s when Bob Devaney took a rag tag bunch of losers and turned them into back to back NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! I could make fun of Iowa and how they hold hands and come out onto the field like a swarm of bees or how the band plays that goofy bar song IN HEAVEN THERE IS NO BEER or how Iowa plays Minnesota for a stupid looking trophy of a pig called Floyd Of Rosedale or how the visitors locker room is painted in pink but again, why would I stoop to your level? There’s a lot of weird and silly traditions in college football. It’s all part of the game.
    Nebraska fans don’t feel they are entitled to anything. They are a very confident bunch. There’s a big difference between feeling entitled and being confident. That’s what happens when your team wins consistently. You become confident. We have learned the hard way that anything can happen on any given Saturday. Coming within 4 points of going 13-1 humbles you real fast. Losing to a lowly Cyclone team because of 8 stupid turnovers sends a message that winning requires hard work. Once Iowa gets to the point of actually winning national championships you will understand what I’m talking about. Until then, you simply won’t.
    Nebraska’s 2010 schedule is 2/3rd’s set by the conference. Nebraska only has control over it’s first 4 games. The rest of the schedule the Big 12 determines for them. Nebraska has no control over how crappy Kansas State will be or how tough Texas could be. Just like Iowa has no control over how bad Minnesota could be or how good Ohio State might be. You play the teams you are forced to play and hope you win those games. But still, Nebraska does not schedule 1AA schools like Iowa. And if they were to, they wouldn’t need two lucky blocked field goals to win the game, AT HOME!
    Somebody once pointed out that when two people debate a topic and one person resorts to bad language and name calling, that person has run out of intelligent ideas and has lost the argument. You have consistently called me and my team names and resorted to sophomoric and immature slander. Just scroll up to see some of the childish comments you have posted. Debating with someone who resorts to such things is pointless. So, I will say this. Good luck on your upcoming season. I think Iowa will be highly ranked all season long. I think that if Iowa stays healthy and they play good old fashioned Iowa football, they could find themselves undefeated and playing for a national championship. I believe my Huskers will also be highly ranked all season and they could also run the table and be playing for a national championship. Let’s hope both Iowa and Nebraska will play each other for the title. If that happens then maybe we can make a little wager and we will finally learn just which team is better.

  • riverhawk62

    Unbelievable,you “throw” barbs @ me(read your earlier name-calling posts),then say “i’m” resorting to name calling & slander,……………wowowow.You have been brain-washed by the husker-sillies.1 thing that does not change:how the world laffs @ your immature,goofy fan base.Story:so a buddy calls up & says,”Isu is beating Ne.I turn it on( i NEVER watch husker football,not w/ a qb like zach lee!!)& the game is winding down.My son & i,along w/ the rest of college footbal,are laffing our arses off.Wait,it gets better.The post game is wrapping up & they show a empty stands,but for a guy that they then focus in on,sitting alone.The camera pans in & it’s a grown man(using the phrase litely)& he is crying!!!!!! His family or whoever,probably left him & went back to scottsbluff.My son & i are now in stiches,…..the guy is crying,sobbing,……GET A LIFE HUSKERVILLE!!!…..MY point:huskerdom ALWAYS makes excuses when they lose.However,the LUCKIEST football team in history NEVER accepts the luck they receive when they win.Oh well,your “fan-base” provides sooooo much laughter for the rest of us,please,don’t change!!!!!
    Lastly,as long as Kirk Ferentz is @ Iowa,it’s not possible for the corndusters to beat the Iowa Football team.Thanks & all wagers will be accepted.

  • HUSKERMAN

    You have just gone out of your way to prove my point. What an immature and childish post!!

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-I think what bothers me the most is that you’d take a broken hearted old man, crying over his team’s loss, and totally trash the story of him on the internet. That old man who you referred to probably had seen countless Nebraska games. He probably watched national championship teams play in that very stadium. He probably watched Heisman trophy winners play right in front of him. He probably watched what pollsters have repeatedly voted “the greatest college football team of all time!!!”, the 1995 Nebraska Cornhusker Team, play on the very turf he sat within mere feet of. He probably has been a lifelong Husker fan. And you totally disrespect him in this forum. Now I know exactly how heartless you are. There will come a day when your Iowa Hawkeyes will be within mere seconds of accomplishing something special and the opponent will shatter those dreams. Then you will know how it feels to have your heart ripped out. It might happen this year when the #2 ranked Ohio State Buckeyes roll into town and they take your Hawkeyes to the woodshed on national television, ruining any chance of possibly playing for a national championship. Or maybe it will be a last second field goal by an improved Arizona team, and poof, the dream is gone. Or maybe it will be in the Big House where Michigan blocks what would have been a game winning field goal by Iowa and the season comes crashing down. You don’t ever know when or where it might happen, but eventually, IT HAPPENS! So try and rise above the childish antics and respect an old man who loves his team and was crushed to see them lose. And the fact that you thought an old man crying over his team was funny and you included your son in your immature behavior speaks volumes about you. And you call Nebraska fans bad? Take a look in the mirror. I certainly hope Kinnick Stadium isn’t full of mean spirited assholes like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • riverhawk62

    Wowowo,…YOU prove my point huskerrodent,an ‘old man that crys’ over a football game & you defend it,& you wonder why your “klan” gives such comedy relief to the world.Lastly,if this was on a husker “board”,a Hawkeye fans debate like this would not be tolerated…….shows the class of the Hawkeye nation.Again.Thanks for not letting us down man.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-Apparently you have never been to any of the Husker websites where forums like this exist and college football fans from all walks of life debate the game. At least I have the balls to come here and debate you and other Iowa fans. Takes guts to be in a fight where it’s 1 against several. Have you even tried to go to a Husker website and try to debate against several fans from an opposing team? Probably not! Why? Because you only want to be in the comfort of your own surroundings with other Iowa fans who will help you attack anyone with a differing point of view. And you don’t want to hear about Nebraska’s past because you know that Iowa has no past football past glory. So you only want to discuss the last 5 or so years. Years in which Iowa has excelled but Nebraska has struggled to rebuild. You’re willing to play poker but only if the deck is stacked in your favor. College football is more than just the last several years. It’s about history and tradition, something Iowa has yet to develop. And you won’t back up your claims that Osborne was a cheater. I’m still waiting for that proof. But you’re quick to slander, call names and make fun of innocent people who love their team. And you include your impressionable son in your childish and immature ways. I guess obnoxious Iowa fans are bred into the system! You and your son should be a real hoot at the local bar. Getting drunk and making fun of fans in the stands. Laughing at other people’s misfortunes. Good job, bud. You are Dad of the year! What’s next? Gonna’ take your son into the guy’s locker room and drill a hole through the wall so you can spy on the girl’s basketball team changing clothes? You are a real class act! A perfect example of an Iowa football fan. I can only hope that when the day comes when a highly ranked Iowa team gets upset at home, thus ruining their season, the cameraman pans in on YOU, and the whole nation can see you stomp and hit things and throw your beer so we all can see how you like some of your own medicine. Oh wait, you won’t be at the game. You and your son will be down at the bar with your best friends Bubba and Cooter, drinking and puking and pissing on the tables!! You need to grow up!!! A forum such as this is for debating football. You took it to the gutter level by your immature and childish posts. Looks like I just returned the favor. Good luck on the upcoming season. Let’s hope Iowa and Nebraska meet in a bowl game so Nebraska’s 4 and 5 star recruits can kick Iowa’s plowboy asses!!!!!

  • Lukhawk

    Husker, from what I see you came on our board talking trash about how Ne has kicked Iowas ass the last two times played, GO HOME!!!
    You started this trash talk typical of a errogant cornholer fan.
    Never ends with the cornholers..”the best of all time, the best fans ever” bla bla bla. A grown man crying over a loss to ISU is funny no matter how you look at it. My God where do some of you people come from. Give Iowa some respect would you. Ne has had a great FB program over the years, you have enjoyed some great games and have some great memories I’m sure..good for you, now let Iowa do the same instead of making sure we know just how great the mighty cornholers have been. I’m sure in your world the Huskers come first then God and wives and kids and everything else.

  • riverhawk62

    you can’t be serious mr.cornluver,……………a grown man crying after a football game loss,sitting by himself,is very,very funny,For you to be this upset surley shows that your life is consumed by the “things” that really matter in life,oooops i 4got,huskermorons’,is the only society that you can live in/with.I(we)truly feel sorry for your kind(even more so than the sorry old man that is probably still sitting in memeorial stadium,waiting for “his” team to “pull out a victory”)Good luk w/ that pop-warner schedule in 2010 & the coach that not only can’t find a hat to fit his pointed head,but “thinks” that yelling @ his brother & players on the sidelines during games,is the “real” way to caoch.Such class.I suppose it’s better than the crusty ‘old goat,Tom Osborne,feeding all his players steroids,the peter bothers??,LOL!!
    “Coach Osborne,are the roids in the top drawer or the bottom drawer of your desk??,…..I forgot”.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-Again, all accusations but no facts to back it up. Where’s the proof that Osborne ever cheated? Still waiting for that! You resort to sarcasm and bitterness instead of rebutting my questions. WHERE IS THE PROOF? 255 wins and only 47 losses in 25 years! That’s one hell of a coach. Ferentz will NEVER achieve those kinds of numbers!! WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT OSBORNE EVER CHEATED? Well, all of Hawkeye Nation is waiting!!!

  • riverhawk62

    Lol!!!…..please,take ‘ol Tom of your saint-hood list.That’s why he quit.Those accomplishments(becuz of less scholarships,tv exposure,better competition)he knew could not be had in this day n age of college football.

  • HUSKERMAN

    to riverhawk62-now you’re just avoiding the question you refuse to answer because you have no proof to back up your claim that Osborne ever cheated. Tom Osborne got out of coaching to pursue a career in politics. He ran for congress and won. After serving his country he returned to Nebraska and became the Athletic Director. He didn’t quit coaching because of limited scholarships. Scholarships being limited had happened years before he left coaching. And he certainly didn’t leave because of stronger competition. His last recruiting class went on to play for the national championship against Miami of Florida in the 2001 Rose Bowl. Had he stayed at Nebraska, his teams would have continued to be highly ranked, go to major bowl games and play for championships. By the way, his recruits went on to kick your Iowa Hawkeyes’ asses in 1999 and 2000! So, step up and provide the proof that Osborne was a cheater. Hawkeye Nation is STILL waiting. Your Iowa BOYS are watching to see if you’re gonna’ defend your claim or if you’re gonna’ crumble just like your Iowa teams did to the Huskers the last two times they played!!! Once again, Iowa LOSES!!! Give it up man, you FAIL!!!

  • riverhawk62

    Its a bit scary you know sooo much about uncle tom.still can’t live in the present,what a shame:little-bo-peep cannot beat a Kirk Ferentz coach Football club.period.you know it,every1 knows it…..but it gets better:huskerthing even predicts the future:he KNOWS t.o. would have won future games,he KNOWS the skinny “n’s” from huskerville would beat Iowa,……….looking up “crumble” has the recent huskers name next to it.that & the name “overated”.ooops,but wait,w/ the upcoming schedule,they can’t believe the cornholers are overated,……………now go get your shine-box & get 2 work huskerboy!!!!

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