[tm3308]

Originally Posted by bandgrocks

They LOST to Stanford, that doesn't help their RPI. I am not saying they can't play ball, they have the best PG in the country. What I'm stating is the selection committee has criteria they look at - RPI, SOS, performance over last 10 games and WINS over top 50 RPI teams. Gonzaga has:

0 wins over top 50 RPI
SOS of 157
Last 10 games 10-0
RPI of 42
Their best win is over #59 BYU, followed by # 94 St. Mary's. They also have wins over #324 NCCU, and 2 over #325 San Francisco.

This is why they are an 11 seed.

Regardless, it's still crap. All anyone has to look at them to know they deserve much higher than an 11 seed. Which is why they were ranked in the top 20.

[bandgrocks]

Originally Posted by imported_ankle23

while you are doing the explaining, explain why an 11 seed gets a home game v. a 6 seed.

Very simple:
In the women's tourney the rules states if your school is hosting a sub regional and your school makes it, you get to play on your home floor.

"Should a host institution qualify for NCAA participation, that host institution will be permitted to play their first - and second-round games on their home floor."

Gonzaga is the host school, therefore they get to play at home.

People have to realize the women's tourney is not the men's tourney and doesn't draw like the men's tourney. The POD system used by the men was a flop for the women. The year Iowa played in Denver, nobody went to the games. The NCAA wasn't making any money because the venues were losing money.

Your other option is to go back to the old way where the top seed in the sub-regional hosts. So in this case, we would go to LA and play at UCLA if we won the first round.

Iowa has hosted 9 times, including the Regionals in 1993 when we went to the Final Four. We played the regional semi-final and regional final in CHA. We hosted as the #8 seed in 2009, how do you think Georgia Tech felt having to play us on our home floor?

People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats.

How would you feel if you were UCLA as the 3 seed possibly playing the 11 seed on their home floor, or Texas A&M being the 2 seed and playing the #10 seed on their home floor?

Hawkeye Sports - University of Iowa Official Athletic Site

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by bandgrocks

Very simple:
In the women's tourney the rules states if your school is hosting a sub regional and your school makes it, you get to play on your home floor.

"Should a host institution qualify for NCAA participation, that host institution will be permitted to play their first - and second-round games on their home floor."

Gonzaga is the host school, therefore they get to play at home.

People have to realize the women's tourney is not the men's tourney and doesn't draw like the men's tourney. The POD system used by the men was a flop for the women. The year Iowa played in Denver, nobody went to the games. The NCAA wasn't making any money because the venues were losing money.

Your other option is to go back to the old way where the top seed in the sub-regional hosts. So in this case, we would go to LA and play at UCLA if we won the first round.

Iowa has hosted 9 times, including the Regionals in 1993 when we went to the Final Four. We played the regional semi-final and regional final in CHA. We hosted as the #8 seed in 2009, how do you think Georgia Tech felt having to play us on our home floor?

People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats.

How would you feel if you were UCLA as the 3 seed possibly playing the 11 seed on their home floor, or Texas A&M being the 2 seed and playing the #10 seed on their home floor?

Hawkeye Sports - University of Iowa Official Athletic Site

Letting the better seeded team play on their home floor isn't fair either. But playing on the low seed home floor kind of wipes out the advantage of being the better seed, especially in this case when Gonzaga is already ranked.

[bandgrocks]

Originally Posted by tm3308

Regardless, it's still crap. All anyone has to look at them to know they deserve much higher than an 11 seed. Which is why they were ranked in the top 20.

Go look at their schedule, look at who they played, and who they beat. They beat NO ONE. The rankings are voted on by the AP and ONE coach from each of the 31 conferences, who probably have never seen them play, so you think that is a fair assessment? Ranking will always mean squat to the selection committee, as it should.

You may not like it, but there has to be a standard set of criteria to select teams for the tourney. Until the WIN games against teams like Stanford, USC, they aren't going to be any higher, and you can't play games against non-DI schools.

CollegeRPI.com - Women

2011 women's Top 25 database: Every coach, every ballot ? USATODAY.com

[bandgrocks]

Originally Posted by tm3308

Letting the better seeded team play on their home floor isn't fair either. But playing on the low seed home floor kind of wipes out the advantage of being the better seed, especially in this case when Gonzaga is already ranked.

Let go of ranking, it has NOTHING to do with as far as seeding, hosting, etc. Gonzaga bid on hosting a sub regional and was awarded the honor of hosting, plain and simple, fair and square. As I stated earlier:

"People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats."

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by bandgrocks

Let go of ranking, it has NOTHING to do with as far as seeding, hosting, etc. Gonzaga bid on hosting a sub regional and was awarded the honor of hosting, plain and simple, fair and square. As I stated earlier:

"People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats."

So what if ranking has nothing to do with their seeding? Playing the game on the home court of the lower seed wipes out the advantage of being the better seed. They could just as well flip the seeds around.

[bandgrocks]

Originally Posted by tm3308

So what if ranking has nothing to do with their seeding? Playing the game on the home court of the lower seed wipes out the advantage of being the better seed. They could just as well flip the seeds around.

How do you think UCLA feels, or Texas A&M, Notre Dame? Notre Dame is a 2 seed and playing on Utah's home floor in the first round.

Not "what if" the ranking has nothing to do with their seeding - the ranking has NOTHING to do with seeding, period.

Flipping the seeds is an injustice to Iowa, we are not an 11 seed, so why should be be punished? As I said before, Spokane/Gonzaga placed a bid and won a bid, thus getting to host. If you can't see an advantage by looking at the schedules of Iowa and Gonzaga, then I don't know what to tell you. Put Iowa in the WCC, and we would be undefeated in the WCC, but there is no way Gonzaga would come close to being undefeated in the B10.

As I've said several times before, until the women's tourney puts enough fannies in the seats at a neutral site like the men's tourney for the first and second rounds, they will continue to play on campus sites.

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by bandgrocks

How do you think UCLA feels, or Texas A&M, Notre Dame? Notre Dame is a 2 seed and playing on Utah's home floor in the first round.

Not "what if" the ranking has nothing to do with their seeding - the ranking has NOTHING to do with seeding, period.

Flipping the seeds is an injustice to Iowa, we are not an 11 seed, so why should be be punished? As I said before, Spokane/Gonzaga placed a bid and won a bid, thus getting to host. If you can't see an advantage by looking at the schedules of Iowa and Gonzaga, then I don't know what to tell you. Put Iowa in the WCC, and we would be undefeated in the WCC, but there is no way Gonzaga would come close to being undefeated in the B10.

As I've said several times before, until the women's tourney puts enough fannies in the seats at a neutral site like the men's tourney for the first and second rounds, they will continue to play on campus sites.

I didn't mean "IF the ranking had nothing to do with it". I meant "So what?"

And as a point of reference, Gonzaga went undefeated in the WCC too. They've lost 4 games by a combined 22 points, two of those losses coming against Stanford and Notre Dame (both in the top 10). I don't think that we'd have done much better with their schedule than they did.

[Livestrong24]

Good luck to the Lady Hawks, unfortunately the seeding sucks but I think they will fight through it.