[HawkPhreek]

I also don't think some fans appreciate how fast Fran wants to go depth would be good thing

[DFaceHawkeye]

Originally Posted by HawkPhreek

I also don't think some fans appreciate how fast Fran wants to go depth would be good thing

I agree with this. My opinion on Gabe has only to with his potential and what an extra year could do for him. It has nothing to do with Fran's rotation and speed of the game.

[drew003]

Originally Posted by hawkfan33

I don't think anyone of those guys have guaranteed minutes for next year. Fran has already proven with Basabe that if you don't produce, you won't see the court as much. I think Fran will go into next year with an open competition for minutes. If Meyer is the best we have, then he will see the floor more than Basabe or McCabe.

I'd agree with you. If Meyer is better than White, Basabe, or McCabe then surely play him. I was operating on the assumption he is not as a freshman. Experience matters in the Big 10 basketball. If it seems clear he is decently talented, but is going to get negligible minutes behind those guys I think he is a decent fit for a redshirt. We'd get 3 big minute years out of him instead of 2. It also looks like we won't take a big in the next class. Meaning if we don't redshirt him, then during his and Woodbury senior year, our backup bigs will all be freshman or sophomores.

[hawkfan33]

Originally Posted by drew003

I'd agree with you. If Meyer is better than White, Basabe, or McCabe then surely play him. I was operating on the assumption he is not as a freshman. Experience matters in the Big 10 basketball. If it seems clear he is decently talented, but is going to get negligible minutes behind those guys I think he is a decent fit for a redshirt. We'd get 3 big minute years out of him instead of 2. It also looks like we won't take a big in the next class. Meaning if we don't redshirt him, then during his and Woodbury senior year, our backup bigs will all be freshman or sophomores.

White is a freshman this year, and has been considerably better than Basabe this year. Experience is nice to have but talent matters most. I don't know how good Meyer is going to be, but I can't see Fran redshirting him. This isn't football, if you're good enough to play, you will see the floor right away. I think Fran wants all the talent he has available to him right away,

[sportstalent]

I think there is only one freshman that won't even be considered for a redshirt and that is Gesell.

Here is what I think could happen, not to say it will at all.

Three players get redshirted...Clemmons, Meyer and Olaseni.

1. Here is how it would balance out. Marble/McCabe/Basabe, White/Oglesby, Gesell/Woodbury/Ingram/Olaseni, Clemmons/Meyer/Wing/Wing.
2. White is the wild card with the fact that he can play the 3-5, if he keeps growing that could continue to change things.
3. Oglesby is going to breakout next season and he will be able to play 2 or 3. May can move to a more natural 2 spot as well, more for defense than anything. Ingram will be needed here as well, just in case Oglesby struggles.
4. If Gesell is as good as what I have seen, well, there is no need to keep three people splitting time at PG. Yes, I do think Marble will play PG next year, only until Gesell is comfortable and when Gesell is off the floor.
5. Olaseni needs a year, I think Fran was hoping to get more out of him this year, he sorta hinted at it in the Friday presser, not just him Brommer and Archie too.
6. Meyer is a kid that has said himself that he needs to improve his conditioning, let him do that for a season while practicing against good players too.
7. Iowa cannot afford to redshirt Woodbury, Iowa has to have his size in the rotation. With his size alone, he can take some pressure off of the 4-spot and occupy space, while being an opportunistic scorer.

In the end, it is nice option to have and we'll see if Fran utilzes that option for any players that could use a year. Also, if any injuries happen and a freshman has to be redshirted, it isn't the end of the world.

[ColumbusHawk]

Who knows? The first game is nine months away. Anything can happen. Somebody can break an ankle, blow-out a knee, transfer, flunk-out, etc.

[jacknicholson]

Fran might not redshirt anyone. He could want the incoming class to get as much game experience as possible. Look what a year of experience did for Devyn and Zach. If that holds true for the new recruits, we will have a lot of talent on the floor when Marble, McCabe and Melsohn are seniors. We should be capable of making waves then and perhaps be a force to be reckoned with.

Fran might not be as impatient as the rest of us, but I do believe he wants to get there as quickly and judiciously as possible.....

Sure is good to see the enthusiasm surrounded the program now.....

[koolhandlick]

Originally Posted by franstheman

So you think that a junior who has started almost every game of his career and still comes off the bench for at least 20 minutes every game will be unseated by a freshman next year?

He should have been unseated this season the way he has played so far. Wouldn't be that much of a loss.

[hawkIhoops]

From day one Olaseni will #3 behind Meyer and Woodbury simply because of his lack of experence. The positive here is that instead of practicing against Archie, Brommer and Basabe, Olaseni will be going up against two "better" players, which will only accelerate his development.

It will be interesting to see how McCaffrey uses all the guys at 4&5 spots and it wouldn't surprise me to see 3 guards with Marble and a big on the floor against the smaller, quicker teams.

[mbchawk]

Imo, the only player that may end up rs would be Olesani. The extra year would really be beneficial to him experience wise. Meyer is way to good to rs. Basabe may end up as the odd man out given his current limited offensive skills vs the other big men he will be fighting for playing time next year.

[atomicblue224]

Originally Posted by WildTurkey

Fran made a typing error. No biggie. Leave him alone.
And Yeah Meyer could redshirt. Its not unheard of

so what, i chopped off 4 fingers off one hand and i was born deaf and blind and stupid i can get my typing done.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by atomicblue224

so what, i chopped off 4 fingers off one hand and i was born deaf and blind and stupid i can get my typing done.:cool:

congrats!

[David79]

No, nobody will be redshirted

[FCAS]

Originally Posted by busabus114

Just curious how many people with such strong opinions have seen Meyer play in person? I hope you guys are right but this seems like classic message boarding

I have seen him play twice in person. I do not think he would be a redshirt candidate. However, I also do not see him coming in and being a major presence next year. I do not think he will be as effective as White has been.

[RocknRollface]

Originally Posted by DFaceHawkeye

I don't think Fran would have brought Gabe in just to use up the scholarship. This wasn't a move a la Licklighter bringing in Archie. I think Fran feels Gabe is worth his time, which means he'll end up as a contributor. The only real draw-back to redshirting Gabe is having 6 players in one class. But, if (big IF) Fran gets the recruiting really rolling, 6 in a class won't matter near as much.

Agree, Gabe is the one who needs to redshirt.

I can almost guarantee that Myer will be more ready to contribute than Gabe next year.

Gabe has by far the least experience playing bball of anyone on the team, he has the most room for improvement but also the highest ceiling.

Worrying about whats going to happen 5 years from now when that class graduates is silly IMO.

People could leave, flunk out or get injured ect, infact the odds say that at least one will. You just can't be worrying about stuff like that in this day and age. Cross that bridge when you come to it.

If Iowa has 3 or 4 NCAA tourney appearances in a row, that will be well worth the trade off for a rebuilding year when that class leaves.