Latest ESPN Top 100 - Woody and Gesell still there

[Foval21]

I love how Iowa fans aren't allowed to expect things out of their top 100 recruits, but with every other fanbase it's OK. I'm not expecting Woodbury or Gessell to set the world on fire, but I absolutely expect them to play 15-20 minutes per game at a minimum and put up decent stats. I think 6 and 6 with at least 1 block per game from Woodbury is a very reasonable expectation, and 8-4 from Gessell.

i dont think anyone says dont expect anything from them. i think there are people that are expecting program changers from day 1 and that is unrealistic as it happens very rarely. like an expectation of a double double from a frosh is outlandish as very few do that as juniors and seniors.

i think 20+ min is expected from them. and i can see 6-8 pts from each and 6 rebs for woody and 4+ assts from gesell. my theory is dont get upset if they dont get those numbers and call for their benching as people turned on basabe when he was struggling or didnt want jo shooting/playing when he was missing shots.

[GhostofBTT]

I love how Iowa fans aren't allowed to expect things out of their top 100 recruits, but with every other fanbase it's OK. I'm not expecting Woodbury or Gessell to set the world on fire, but I absolutely expect them to play 15-20 minutes per game at a minimum and put up decent stats. I think 6 and 6 with at least 1 block per game from Woodbury is a very reasonable expectation, and 8-4 from Gessell.

[WinOneThisCentury]

Gessel will do better than everyone thinks. Honestly, I know I'm biased, but I felt he was right there as the best player on the floor the other night. Unselfish, great vision, and he didn't let anyone beat him on defense. He played hard and if he hits that last shot, he tops off a great night. Fran will have him playing great ball by January.

The thing I was most impressed with was his handle on the ball. He's not going to turn the ball over much as a freshman, which is what my big concern was. He's got great ball skills and he sees the floor with the eyes of a much older player. Very impressive.

Honestly, in Frans offense, he could lead the Big Ten in assists next year. He will get a ton of opportunities to penetrate and dish. I love his game.

[IATrainMaster101]

I love how Iowa fans aren't allowed to expect things out of their top 100 recruits, but with every other fanbase it's OK. I'm not expecting Woodbury or Gessell to set the world on fire, but I absolutely expect them to play 15-20 minutes per game at a minimum and put up decent stats. I think 6 and 6 with at least 1 block per game from Woodbury is a very reasonable expectation, and 8-4 from Gessell.

i dont think anyone says dont expect anything from them. i think there are people that are expecting program changers from day 1 and that is unrealistic as it happens very rarely. like an expectation of a double double from a frosh is outlandish as very few do that as juniors and seniors.i think 20 min is expected from them. and i can see 6-8 pts from each and 6 rebs for woody and 4 assts from gesell. my theory is dont get upset if they dont get those numbers and call for their benching as people turned on basabe when he was struggling or didnt want jo shooting/playing when he was missing shots.

I'm not so sure anyone in this class has to be a game changer for the addition of this class to change the game.

Iowa has some good returning talent that has been playing together for a few seasons. To that we add depth, address major weaknesses with this class with talented kids.

Individual stats aside, this group I think will change the game right off the bat. $.02.

[sportstalent]

I'm not so sure anyone in this class has to be a game changer for the addition of this class to change the game.

Iowa has some good returning talent that has been playing together for a few seasons. To that we add depth, address major weaknesses with this class with talented kids.

Individual stats aside, this group I think will change the game right off the bat. $.02.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner folks; thanks for playing.

[aaronzuriel]

i dont think anyone says dont expect anything from them. i think there are people that are expecting program changers from day 1 and that is unrealistic as it happens very rarely. like an expectation of a double double from a frosh is outlandish as very few do that as juniors and seniors.

i think 20+ min is expected from them. and i can see 6-8 pts from each and 6 rebs for woody and 4+ assts from gesell. my theory is dont get upset if they dont get those numbers and call for their benching as people turned on basabe when he was struggling or didnt want jo shooting/playing when he was missing shots.

Good points. If AW & MG can combine for 14 points and 6 RBS and 4 Assists they can make up for Matt Gatens, barely (less leadership)

If some combination of the 3 other newbes... a few or more minutes, a couple of buckets, rebounds, an assist and some floor burns...

AND the current roster can improve... say by 10 or 15 percent of production and toughness... willing to win

the Hawkeyes will finish in the top half, or better, in the Big Ten next year. Post season absolutely.. dreams of sweet 16 and beyond...

OH yeah.

[PatrickAdamovicz]

I expect just right...

I was joking. I've been a big supporter of Woodbury and Gesell and I do believe they are program changing type players. Woodbury will average at least 8 and 5 and I think Gesell with average around 8 and 4. I think the bigger impact though is what there presence will mean to others on the team, especially Marble and Basabe. Iowa fans try to dumb down our recruits for whatever reason. These two kids are on record as saying they expect to be in the NCAA tournament next year and sometime in their career's be in a Final Four.

[gohawks71]

This without a doubt is the most excited I have ever been for the basketball program. With that said, this will be the longest off season in my life. The agony is great enough that I keep rereading posts like this on a daily basis (no offense) to feed my anticipation for next year. All I can say is keep it up and thank you!

[HawkeyeShane]

I was joking. I've been a big supporter of Woodbury and Gesell and I do believe they are program changing type players. Woodbury will average at least 8 and 5 and I think Gesell with average around 8 and 4. I think the bigger impact though is what there presence will mean to others on the team, especially Marble and Basabe. Iowa fans try to dumb down our recruits for whatever reason. These two kids are on record as saying they expect to be in the NCAA tournament next year and sometime in their career's be in a Final Four.

Haha...it's cool PA...I suspected you may have been trying to lob one at "those guys", but I couldn't be sure and I too must be a smartass. I think some Iowa fans spend so much time trying to brace for a letdown that they refuse to enjoy the ride...and this is getting to be a LOT of fun!

[HawkeyeShane]

This without a doubt is the most excited I have ever been for the basketball program. With that said, this will be the longest off season in my life. The agony is great enough that I keep rereading posts like this on a daily basis (no offense) to feed my anticipation for next year. All I can say is keep it up and thank you!

At least we have football season to get us through til basketball season...wait, did I really just say that???

[GhostofBTT]

Good points. If AW & MG can combine for 14 points and 6 RBS and 4 Assists they can make up for Matt Gatens, barely (less leadership)

If some combination of the 3 other newbes... a few or more minutes, a couple of buckets, rebounds, an assist and some floor burns...

AND the current roster can improve... say by 10 or 15 percent of production and toughness... willing to win

the Hawkeyes will finish in the top half, or better, in the Big Ten next year. Post season absolutely.. dreams of sweet 16 and beyond...

OH yeah.

If we do the math in your scenario, we have a roster of returning contributors scoring an approximate 62 ppg. If we add your 10% increase in production, that is bumped up to 68 ppg. Add on 14 points by the two marquee frosh, and we are looking at 82 ppg. Of course, we could assume that the rest of the freshmen score as well, but let's assume they don't. (If we assume the roster improves in scoring 15%, the total rises to 85 ppg).

So your baseline expectation is that Iowa scored 82 ppg, which is a 10 point increase over their season total, and a 14 ppg increase over their conference totals. This would put them #5 in the nation in scoring for this season, and top the Big 10 by over 5 ppg.

That's probably not going to happen.

[Foval21]

if gesell and woodbury can cover the lose of gatens's points along with 6 rebs and 4+ assists. then the 3 other recruits cover the lose of archie, cartwright, brommer numbers. then the players already on the roster increase their numbers just a little. i can see between 77-80 pts per game. remember we averaged 72 pts a game and that was with some games that we really struggled in. we wont have the valleys we had this yr next yr and i think we will have more peaks. that should account for a good increase in pts per game.

[IATrainMaster101]

if gesell and woodbury can cover the lose of gatens's points along with 6 rebs and 4 assists. then the 3 other recruits cover the lose of archie, cartwright, brommer numbers. then the players already on the roster increase their numbers just a little. i can see between 77-80 pts per game. remember we averaged 72 pts a game and that was with some games that we really struggled in. we wont have the valleys we had this yr next yr and i think we will have more peaks. that should account for a good increase in pts per game.

No offense, but the whole "if player X can score this much and player Z can grab this many rebounds" scenarios are fun conversation but are way oversimplified.

To me, take the stats out of it and look at the pieces of the puzzle and what they each bring to the table as far as skill sets and shortcomings. Then step back and look what you have as a whole. When i do that, i like what I see on the horizon. I like it next year and love it 2 seasons from now.

[Foval21]

if gesell and woodbury can cover the lose of gatens's points along with 6 rebs and 4 assists. then the 3 other recruits cover the lose of archie, cartwright, brommer numbers. then the players already on the roster increase their numbers just a little. i can see between 77-80 pts per game. remember we averaged 72 pts a game and that was with some games that we really struggled in. we wont have the valleys we had this yr next yr and i think we will have more peaks. that should account for a good increase in pts per game.

No offense, but the whole "if player X can score this much and player Z can grab this many rebounds" scenarios are fun conversation but are way oversimplified. To me, take the stats out of it and look at the pieces of the puzzle and what they each bring to the table as far as skill sets and shortcomings. Then step back and look what you have as a whole. When i do that, i like what I see on the horizon. I like it next year and love it 2 seasons from now.

i wouldnt make those statements if i didnt think the combination of skills warranted those theories. i feel that this incoming team is as good of a compliment of skills as we have seen in iowa in awhile. the only offensive area that i feel they may need help is 3 pt shooting with only 1 true 3pt threat but others may develop. defensively still could be a struggle but jo has a lot more upside defensively than other guards and basabe and white add weakside shot blockers. woodbury and meyer should alter shot if not block with their height.

[GhostofBTT]

if gesell and woodbury can cover the lose of gatens's points along with 6 rebs and 4+ assists. then the 3 other recruits cover the lose of archie, cartwright, brommer numbers. then the players already on the roster increase their numbers just a little. i can see between 77-80 pts per game. remember we averaged 72 pts a game and that was with some games that we really struggled in. we wont have the valleys we had this yr next yr and i think we will have more peaks. that should account for a good increase in pts per game.

Well, keep in mind that Iowa only scored 68 ppg in conference play, which put us a 5th out of 12. There is this fallacy around here that we were some kind of offensive juggernaut (probably a hangover from the Lick era), but we were fairly average offensively last year.

We lead the Big 10 in possessions per game last year, but we were 7th in points per possession.

If your prediction of 77-80 ppg come true, we would be among the top 20 scoring teams in the country next year. Don't see it happeneing