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Old 03-10-2010, 10:40 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Iowa Basketball: The Cold Reality

How depressing. But true.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:41 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I am listening to this and my mind is blown. I can't believe how incendiary this is. He is really putting into eloquent words what we are all feeling.

I think Lick is done.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:44 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Just listened to that podcast.

Wow.

I was particularly struck by the following:
1) Lickliter's complete lack of fostering relationships with his players
2) Lickliter's complete disregard for any of the state's AAU programs
3) The fact that our athletic department rankes something like 15th in revenue, right behind Notre Dame.
4) Jon thinks that Aaron Fuller has a 40-50% chance of transferring

The Athletic Department can afford to buy out Todd Lickliter's contract if Notre Dame could afford Charlie Weis's buyout.

Perhaps a coaching change is closer than we think.

If Barta does not make a change and continues to publicly declare his support and enthusiasm for Lickliter, I have to admit I would have serious concerns about his ability to judge the situation.

This could be an interesting next couple of weeks.
Are we becoming a JC stepping stone for players. Come to Iowa so you can prove yourself and go to a respectable bball school? Or a school that can win more than 10 games?
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:45 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I listened this morning. I applaud JM. He has really grown as a host. I don't agree with every point but it was well thought out by a guy who obviously cares about the program.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:50 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Jon made an excellent point about the 'old school' of coaching not working in today's athletic world. Lickliter has no connection with the players. That cold, detached professional approach does not work in today's athletic world.

I've heard people try to compare the persona and demeanor of Lick to Kirk Ferentz. There is no comparison. Ferentz is not a cold, detached professional, he is just a professional who has a very close connection with his players. He is a very warm-hearted person who puts his players first.

Lick does not.

This is the first time I've said it, but I want Lick to resign.

I want him to leave now.

I've had a complete belly full of him.

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agree with you 100%. I think I finally hit my tipping point. His dis-connect with the players is what i cant take anymore.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:54 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Iowa Basketball: The Cold Reality

I don't know if all of Jon's facts are true, but one thing is certain, I LOVE Iowa Basketball with a passion. What's going on now is really, really depressing. Losing an entire generation of fans is NOT good for business.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:05 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I want to clarify one thing I said today...when talking about the AAU aspects...I said that they pretty much ignored that route when they got here, and only recently began more open relationships. I never said they have never talked to AAU folks. It just took them too long.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:26 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Jon, any feedback from the east this morning?
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:30 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Jon, any feedback from the east this morning?
Not yet. I expect some, and that is OK. But that is why the 45 minutes was pretty much fact, leaving little room for interpretation.

I like Todd and his crew. I dont wish ill on them. It's just not working.

I have probably received 30 emails from people that are near my age or older that feel the same way. It has been interesting following reactions around the web, too

I am going to write something soon that is along the same lines.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:34 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Did you notice how long it took Lick to come check on Cully after he went down the last game? As if he was too busy?
C'mon. I agree with the basic point of this thread but now we're ripping him because it took him a few seconds to go see Payne? If we're going to rip Lick let's at least try and be fair to him and not ridiculous like this post.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Jon: stand your ground. Fans that follow this closely know you speak the truth here.
The window is closed for lick to have any real success at Iowa,thru his own mis-manangement. I refuse to believe that we cannot do better than this for a coach.
This is not personal, strictly business...and licks business approach is not working.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:35 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Jon....very well done and as lifelong Hawkeye basketball fan, I appreciate you saying what you have.

We are similar in age, even though I have you by a few years and I think we have many of the same memories about and passion for Iowa basketball.

From my selfish perspective, I have a 9 year old son who loves everything basketball. For the last 3 years, we watch basically every NCAA tourney game during his spring break and we attend countless numbers of high school and Drake games, plus there isn't an evening that goes by when we're not watching games on ESPN. His only memory of Hawkeye basketball in the NCAA tourney is Northwestern State. He wasn't alive when we won our last NCAA tourney game and frankly, he has no interest in Iowa basketball. Matter of fact, he laughs when I turn the channel to the BTN to watch Iowa and his only comment is "I wonder how bad they'll get beat tonight".

It couldn't be more the opposite for his passion with Iowa football.

All I will say, is Iowa can do better and should do better than what they are doing now and I hope a change will happen immediately. If not, this university is in grave danger of loosing an entire generation of Hawk basketball fans. I know this because I see it up close & personal from a son who's bedroom is painted black & gold with Hawkeye bedding, signed pictures of former Hawks, bowl memorbilia & Dallas Clark jerseys scattered throughout.

He has already begun to choose other basketball teams to call "his own" and that is a sad, sad thing for a Dad who grew up counting the minutes before the next tip-off.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:35 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Iowa Basketball: The Cold Reality

I think you clearly stated what much of Hawkeye Nation is feeling. Todd seems like a nice guy and we all wanted it to work out. The fact is not only has the change not worked out, it has been a disaster.

LBJ lost Walter Cronkite. Todd Lickliter lost Jon Miller!
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:45 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I also have a hard time getting my son to watch Hawks bb games with me..and he is 23 years old. He loves Iowa football,but not Iowa bb. He now prefers to watch the Bulls...who are also not good,but he loves to watch Derrick Rose..I do also...and that is the problem...kids especially love to see athletic players do magical things...things they themselves are not capable of...Iowa has zero star quality,and with Lick at the helm, probably never will, cept for the occasional solid athlete like May,who my son does like. But May is the exception in Iowa HS,and the other ones at that level like Jok,Paige,Staten,and Barnes, probably will pass on lick's approach.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:51 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Great job Jon. You spoke for a lot of us here. The ones who aren't out to "get Lickliter". But the ones who remember how Iowa basketball use to be and want it to be that way again.
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