[IOWuh]

Mark May all fired up:


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7217029

[tweeterhawk]

Too bad I didn't, either. And I'm guessing that applies to most of this board.

Mike McQueary should not be able to look himself in the mirror for his own failure in this. At 28, he is old enough and supposedly schooled enough in Joe Paterno's so-called morals that he should have known right from wrong; he is large enough to be able to break up the act and immediately protect the 10-year-old. How he was allowed to remain on staff is puzzling. Did he get a promotion to buy his silence? Seems to be the Penn State way.

He should be fired, too. He does not belong on the sidelines, nor in the coach's box.

[BSpringsteen]

Take it a step further.

He walked around practice with this guy there.

Accept for the moment that people react differently in crisis situations.

7 years after the fact, 9 years after the fact, you'r looking this guy in the ******* eye like nothing happened?

Puke.

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by tweeterhawk

Too bad I didn't, either. And I'm guessing that applies to most of this board.

Mike McQueary should not be able to look himself in the mirror for his own failure in this. At 28, he is old enough and supposedly schooled enough in Joe Paterno's so-called morals that he should have known right from wrong; he is large enough to be able to break up the act and immediately protect the 10-year-old. How he was allowed to remain on staff is puzzling. Did he get a promotion to buy his silence? Seems to be the Penn State way.

He should be fired, too. He does not belong on the sidelines, nor in the coach's box.

I can understand his inaction on the spot. I'm sure if you'd asked him in 2001 (or hell, even 5 minutes before he witnessed the crime), he would have said that in a situation like that, he'd have beaten the hell of a guy who was doing that. Anyone would. We want to believe we'd do the right thing.

In that moment, it's usually not a matter of knowing what the right thing is. It's a matter of having the guts to do it. And a lot more people don't have the guts for it...even if they'd like to. A lot more people would freeze than those people would care to admit/believe. I've not faced anything even remotely like this, so I don't know to a certainty what I would do in that moment. I hope I wouldn't freeze. But I don't know that I wouldn't.

But as far as NEVER going to the cops, and looking Sandusky in the eye for 9 years and knowing what he did...that's completely unconscionable.

[edr247]

Originally Posted by tm3308

I can understand his inaction on the spot. I'm sure if you'd asked him in 2001 (or hell, even 5 minutes before he witnessed the crime), he would have said that in a situation like that, he'd have beaten the hell of a guy who was doing that. Anyone would. We want to believe we'd do the right thing.

In that moment, it's usually not a matter of knowing what the right thing is. It's a matter of having the guts to do it. And a lot more people don't have the guts for it...even if they'd like to. A lot more people would freeze than those people would care to admit/believe. I've not faced anything even remotely like this, so I don't know to a certainty what I would do in that moment. I hope I wouldn't freeze. But I don't know that I wouldn't.

But as far as NEVER going to the cops, and looking Sandusky in the eye for 9 years and knowing what he did...that's completely unconscionable.

This x10000

All of us would like to think that in that moment we'd turn into superheroes, jump in there, and beat the ever living crap out of a pedophile. But there's no way to know what you'd do in that situation. Shock, fear, disgust, etc all need to be considered. If faced with trauma, it's possible for you to turn and run and not even realize you're doing it. So that a 28 year old GA wasn't able to intervene in that situation is not as surprising, and while people are jumping down his throat for inaction at that moment, I'm not going to push it.

But not going to the cops? Standing on the sidelines with this man, knowing what happened, for the better part of a decade? That is inexcusable.

[HawkeyeShane]

Originally Posted by tm3308

I can understand his inaction on the spot. I'm sure if you'd asked him in 2001 (or hell, even 5 minutes before he witnessed the crime), he would have said that in a situation like that, he'd have beaten the hell of a guy who was doing that. Anyone would. We want to believe we'd do the right thing.

In that moment, it's usually not a matter of knowing what the right thing is. It's a matter of having the guts to do it. And a lot more people don't have the guts for it...even if they'd like to. A lot more people would freeze than those people would care to admit/believe. I've not faced anything even remotely like this, so I don't know to a certainty what I would do in that moment. I hope I wouldn't freeze. But I don't know that I wouldn't.

But as far as NEVER going to the cops, and looking Sandusky in the eye for 9 years and knowing what he did...that's completely unconscionable.

Well said, tm...I can see a few maybe freezing, but if I'm in my prime at 28 and some old guy is doing that to a kid, the only freezing that should be taking place is in that split second when you decide "do I just stop it or do I beat this mother f*cker to death on the spot"...

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeShane

Well said, tm...I can see a few maybe freezing, but if I'm in my prime at 28 and some old guy is doing that to a kid, the only freezing that should be taking place is in that split second when you decide "do I just stop it or do I beat this mother f*cker to death on the spot"...

Like I said though, I'm sure McQueary would have said the same thing before he witnessed that. Unless you've faced a situation like that before, you can't know for certain how you would react.

[HawkeyeMike23]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeShane

Well said, tm...I can see a few maybe freezing, but if I'm in my prime at 28 and some old guy is doing that to a kid, the only freezing that should be taking place is in that split second when you decide "do I just stop it or do I beat this mother f*cker to death on the spot"...

It wasn't just some old guy though. It was someone he had known since before high school. People aren't considering how shocked he had to be, imagine if you walked in and saw Kirk Ferentz raping a kid in the shower. I'm guessing you aren't running in and beating him to death right away.

Not going to the police after nothing was done is inexcusable.

[FalseMirage]

It doesn't matter who the pedophile is, you get the kid away from him or die trying.

[OnLookin08]

There aren't many things I'd never not want to see more in that. Truth is, you can say what you would do but you don't know until it happens.

However, I think any moral person that isn't somehow for their own interest knows exactly what they'd do afterwards.

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by OnLookin08

There aren't many things I'd never not want to see more in that. Truth is, you can say what you would do but you don't know until it happens.

However, I think any moral person that isn't somehow for their own interest knows exactly what they'd do afterwards.

This. What truly defines him as a coward is what he did after the fact.

[edr247]

Originally Posted by tm3308

This. What truly defines him as a coward is what he did after the fact.

Word.

[VintageHawkeye]

Originally Posted by FalseMirage

It doesn't matter who the pedophile is, you get the kid away from him or die trying.

COSIGN

[azhawkphan]

It doesn't take any superhuman powers to remove a 10 year old from harms way in this situation in the shower or to walk to the nearest phone and dial 911. The point is not to beat the 60 year old man to death, it is to remove the 10 year old from harms way. The fact that some can understand why McQueary froze or walked away is just sad.

[tm3308]

Originally Posted by azhawkphan

It doesn't take any superhuman powers to remove a 10 year old from harms way in this situation in the shower or to walk to the nearest phone and dial 911. The point is not to beat the 60 year old man to death, it is to remove the 10 year old from harms way. The fact that some can understand why McQueary froze or walked away is just sad.

The fact that even the best people can freeze in that situation is all I need to know in order to understand why he did. But, the "best people" who freeze in that moment, go straight to the cops after the shock wears off. McQueary didn't do that, which is why he is just as guilty as anyone.