[Ozhawk]

Were they invovled in this ordeal?

Maybe McQuery didn't talk for a reason.

Ok I have been watching too much TV.

[ISUhawk]

Well isn't it kind of messed up that he got caught in 98 and nothing happened to him even though he admitted to taking a shower with two kids? The dude probably didn't go the cops first b/c the cops didn't do anything last time and swept it under the rug. What does that sound like? I know hypothetical but something there doesn't make sense.

[HawkForce]

I think they need to get the fbi involved with the DA missing from 05 etc....too many weird things in happy valley

[ISUhawk]

and that's the other thing, was this guy murdered, did he commit suicide, or did he "take the money and run"? Could be any of the three imo.

[99topdawg]

It would explain a lot about why nobody talked (the mother included). It doesn't excuse it, but would explain it. If you saw what was going on, and you know that you or your family was at risk, would you talk?

[hawkeyebob62]

Originally Posted by ISUhawk

and that's the other thing, was this guy murdered, did he commit suicide, or did he "take the money and run"? Could be any of the three imo.

Guys/gals, at least know facts before you make speculative posts.

Gricar handled, and was involved in, NUMEROUS mob-type cases over the years. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have lots of mob activity at various operational and ethnic levels ("traditional" Italian/La Cosa Nostra/'Ndrangheta, Russian/Baltic, Jamaican, Black/African-American, etc.), and the Philly LCN also has heavy involvement in Atlantic City over the years.

[hawkeyebob62]

Originally Posted by 99topdawg

It would explain a lot about why nobody talked (the mother included). It doesn't excuse it, but would explain it. If you saw what was going on, and you know that you or your family was at risk, would you talk?

Ask all the "heroes" that were posting a few days ago. Thunder and Vintage not only would have "brained" Sandusky, they would have solved Europe's current debt crisis at the same time. You are talking about two very tough individuals. You need just ask them for confirmation.

[VintageHawkeye]

Originally Posted by hawkeyebob62

Guys/gals, at least know facts before you make speculative posts.

Gricar handled, and was involved in, NUMEROUS mob-type cases over the years. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have lots of mob activity at various operational and ethnic levels ("traditional" Italian/La Cosa Nostra/'Ndrangheta, Russian/Baltic, Jamaican, Black/African-American, etc.), and the Philly LCN also has heavy involvement in Atlantic City over the years.

All the more reason to think that there may be an organized crime/extortion component to the psu case, no?
C'mon, salty bob, you don't know anything more or less than the rest of us. Stop with the scoffing.

[hawkeyebob62]

Originally Posted by VintageHawkeye

All the more reason to think that there may be an organized crime/extortion component to the psu case, no?
C'mon, salty bob, you don't know anything more or less than the rest of us. Stop with the scoffing.

Go back and read the 2005 coverage. ZERO reference/speculation of PSU-related involvement.

Do you REALLY believe there is an LCN/mob component to the PSU program? Just because Paterno is of Italian extraction? Or because it involves child rape? What, exactly?

Gricar was involved in mob-type cases over the years. He disappeared in 2005. There was no police involvement in 2002 case, thus no DA/SA involvement. 1998 case he declined to prosecute, but there was hardly widespread outrage.

Do you REALLY believe the LCN/mob would protect a child rapist?!

[Ozhawk]

Originally Posted by VintageHawkeye

All the more reason to think that there may be an organized crime/extortion component to the psu case, no?
C'mon, salty bob, you don't know anything more or less than the rest of us. Stop with the scoffing.

Now now you childress stop bickering.

[VintageHawkeye]

Originally Posted by hawkeyebob62

Go back and read the 2005 coverage. ZERO reference/speculation of PSU-related involvement.

Do you REALLY believe there is an LCN/mob component to the PSU program? Just because Paterno is of Italian extraction? Or because it involves child rape? What, exactly?

Gricar was involved in mob-type cases over the years. He disappeared in 2005. There was no police involvement in 2002 case, thus no DA/SA involvement. 1998 case he declined to prosecute, but there was hardly widespread outrage.

Do you REALLY believe the LCN/mob would protect a child rapist?!

What makes you believe Gricar was not in the pocket of organized crime?
I wish I could see all the facts as clearly as you seem to, all the way from bumfk florida.

[ssckelley]

The idea of a mob involved has crossed my mind as well. Just so much coming out on this and and the DA's disappearance is strange. This is why I think the FBI need to get involved to make sure everything comes out on this. The fact that Sandusky is even walking the streets seems odd, I am surprised he is even still alive.

[vosov]

At this point, how could anything be unbelievable. I don't think I would argue with somebody if they told me Elvis, was forcing extraterrestrial slaves ,to build an atomic bomb for Iran in the bowels of Beaver Stadium.