Hit PSU where it hurts, not the region

[SmokeTownHawk]

Who said life was fair?

[ssckelley]

Who exactly are these innocent people that would be hurting if the PSU football program got the death sentence? That top 15 recruiting class they have committed for 2013 is not signed and all the other players could get a waiver from the NCAA to transfer somewhere else. A death sentence is the only punishment that may get through to these people that still believe Paterno did nothing wrong. People, students, former players who keep coming out defending Paterno and one former football player I heard on the radio yesterday had not even bothered to read the Freeh report! By not giving PSU the death penalty you are sending the message that Paterno's legacy is more important than these victims and more important than following the laws of this country. Just taking a way a few scholarships and bowl games is not enough, you are still feeding these people football which is all they care about.

[BSpringsteen]

Who exactly are these innocent people that would be hurting if the PSU football program got the death sentence? That top 15 recruiting class they have committed for 2013 is not signed and all the other players could get a waiver from the NCAA to transfer somewhere else. A death sentence is the only punishment that may get through to these people that still believe Paterno did nothing wrong. People, students, former players who keep coming out defending Paterno and one former football player I heard on the radio yesterday had not even bothered to read the Freeh report! By not giving PSU the death penalty you are sending the message that Paterno's legacy is more important than these victims and more important than following the laws of this country. Just taking a way a few scholarships and bowl games is not enough, you are still feeding these people football which is all they care about.

All I was saying is that the economic impact to the entire region would be irreversibly devastating. And lots of businesses would go under.

Some say that the region deserves that, and maybe they do. And if that's the case, than so be it.

I would argue that killing football kills more than football. But by legislating a series of penalties that make it impossible for PSU to ever have a culture of football first, everything else second, can be just as effective to the demise of the program.

[DuffMan]

Who exactly are these innocent people that would be hurting if the PSU football program got the death sentence? That top 15 recruiting class they have committed for 2013 is not signed and all the other players could get a waiver from the NCAA to transfer somewhere else. A death sentence is the only punishment that may get through to these people that still believe Paterno did nothing wrong. People, students, former players who keep coming out defending Paterno and one former football player I heard on the radio yesterday had not even bothered to read the Freeh report! By not giving PSU the death penalty you are sending the message that Paterno's legacy is more important than these victims and more important than following the laws of this country. Just taking a way a few scholarships and bowl games is not enough, you are still feeding these people football which is all they care about.

All I was saying is that the economic impact to the entire region would be irreversibly devastating. And lots of businesses would go under. Some say that the region deserves that, and maybe they do. And if that's the case, than so be it. I would argue that killing football kills more than football. But by legislating a series of penalties that make it impossible for PSU to ever have a culture of football first, everything else second, can be just as effective to the demise of the program.

ya know... the argument you are making sounds surprisingly like the argument joe pa and company made to cover up sandusky.

[BSpringsteen]

ya know... the argument you are making sounds surprisingly like the argument joe pa and company made to cover up sandusky.

Beyond that being an incredibly ****ed up thing to say, I see where your point is on that.

But what would the death penalty do to Penn State football that the penalties I outlined as the first post do not?

In some ways it would make it even harder for them to be competitive again for a longer amount of time.

[DuffMan]

ya know... the argument you are making sounds surprisingly like the argument joe pa and company made to cover up sandusky.

Beyond that being an incredibly ****ed up thing to say, I see where your point is on that.But what would the death penalty do to Penn State football that the penalties I outlined as the first post do not? In some ways it would make it even harder for them to be competitive again for a longer amount of time.

maybe nothing. im just saying im not overly concerned with how punishing psu would impact other area businesses. Happy Valley business men dont have a constitutional right to a healthy psu, especially when psu leadership is the reason psu is sick. would you be overly concerned about GDR's financial well being if Iowa football tanked?

[BSpringsteen]

maybe nothing. im just saying im not overly concerned with how punishing psu would impact other area businesses. Happy Valley business men dont have a constitutional right to a healthy psu, especially when psu leadership is the reason psu is sick. would you be overly concerned about GDR's financial well being if Iowa football tanked?

No, but I would about the Big *** Turkey Leg guy.

[BSpringsteen]

Seriously Jon, we can't say *** on here?

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[ssckelley]

maybe nothing. im just saying im not overly concerned with how punishing psu would impact other area businesses. Happy Valley business men dont have a constitutional right to a healthy psu, especially when psu leadership is the reason psu is sick. would you be overly concerned about GDR's financial well being if Iowa football tanked?

Bad example, GDR is making billions relabeling and selling baby oil.

[jesterapparel]

Seriously Jon, we can't say *** on here?

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I prefer azz

[1977Hawkeye]

Bruce, all of your punishments appear to be football related. But this was bigger and more far-reaching than the football program.. The cover up went all the way to the university president.

No, it would not be "fair" to the other sports programs if there was a severe punishment handed down that impacted everyone.. But for that reason, I would not be opposed to allowing any of PSU's student athletes to transfer to another school without penalty so that they can continue to play sports elsewhere.

[hawkfan33]

Close the entire university for two years, tear down the library, fire every janitor and retroactively make Penn St an unacredited university so anyone who got a degree at PSU since '98 would need to go back to another school as their degree would be worthless. This is the only punishment that fits the crime, this is more than just a football issue.

[BSpringsteen]

Bruce, all of your punishments appear to be football related. But this was bigger and more far-reaching than the football program.. The cover up went all the way to the university president.

No, it would not be "fair" to the other sports programs if there was a severe punishment handed down that impacted everyone.. But for that reason, I would not be opposed to allowing any of PSU's student athletes to transfer to another school without penalty so that they can continue to play sports elsewhere.

But it was all to "protect" the football program. The President and VP may very well go to jail.

[1977Hawkeye]

But it was all to "protect" the football program. The President and VP may very well go to jail.

True, but as Hawkfan33 said above, it is more than just a football issue. The corruption spread to those outside of the program. I guess it depends on your point of view and we will certainly all differ on how widespread or severe we think the punishment(s) should be.

In my view, it would be a travesty if PSU gets off the hook scot free, or receives just a slap on the wrist, even if it is out of concern for other areas of the athletic department, local businesses, etc. This simply can't go unpunished - a strong message needs to be sent here, IMO.

[ssckelley]

You close down the football program for a couple of years, but not the university. Penn State is a good research institution, one of the leaders in cancer research. Why throw all that away because people got stupid trying to protect the legacy of Joe Paterno and the football program?