Old Penn State Hash

[CAARHawk]

The Vicky Triponey stuff seems to do a fairly good job of calling BS to the Joe Pa was just a figurehead stuff. Even though I don't agree with many of her policies, it is clear JoePa repeatedly shut down her ability to discipline people involved with the football program.

[hawkeyebob62]

in 1999 - i wondered about why a highly respected fb coach (and heir apparent to psu job) gave up on coaching to hang out with a youth group. I also wondered why no school in the country would touch him with an offer to get him back in the fb coaching world! Not one school made a serious offer to him to entice him away from retirement!
that made no sense to me then ..... and n

Sure you wondered. You were on top of it from the start (Saracasm intended).

[Billso]

BS. This "figurehead" is the guy that Curley and Schultz were reporting details of the 1998 case to.

The Freeh report doesn't say that.

This "figurehead" is the guy who stopped Curley and Schultz from going to authorities in 2001.

The Freeh report doesn't say that.

This "figurehead" is the guy told PSU officials to go to hell in 2004 when they were trying to force him out

Yes, and good for him, though not terribly relevant. Hayden Fry could've done the same if the same situation had presented itself in the 90's.

Next time you see the Paterno apologist tell him to read the Freeh Report.

First, you should do the same. Alternate take on Freeh report

[Billso]

The Vicky Triponey stuff seems to do a fairly good job of calling BS to the Joe Pa was just a figurehead stuff. Even though I don't agree with many of her policies, it is clear JoePa repeatedly shut down her ability to discipline people involved with the football program.

I disagree with the OP assertion that JoePa was just a figurehead.

Vicky Triponey's efforts look better in hindsight, perhaps. But the flat truth is that Kirk Ferentz would've reacted the same way as Joe to what she was demanding, essentially that the University control discipline of football players. In fact, there's a close analogy to the UI administration's treatment of Marcus Coker, and I doubt many here were happy with that.

[DwayneTwill]

First, you should do the same. Alternate take on Freeh report

Do you get a few cents from OO44's-friend-LA-LAW-Benny for every time you link that piece of crap or what?

[Scorpio79]

Do you get a few cents from OO44's-friend-LA-LAW-Benny for every time you link that piece of crap or what?

How dare you question the Almighty Mesabildo! He is always right, and YOU are always wrong.

[Billso]

Do you get a few cents from OO44's-friend-LA-LAW-Benny for every time you link that piece of crap or what?

Are you saying the accusations mentioned above are supported by the Freeh report, after all? Please cite page numbers. Thanks.

[Scorpio79]

final words

[bphawkeye]

Sure you wondered. You were on top of it from the start (Saracasm intended).

umm - the part about why no other college team (even D3) wanted to even interview/coax him after "his" decision was strange. as far as being on top of it - i assumed some cancer/disease that no one wanted leaked out there. i assumed he wanted to spend more time with his family, and help some youth club close by until the inevitable effects of cancer took him. i was wrong and certainly was not on top of it.

i get the sarcasm - but i'm a bit old and do not care to be right/wrong about this fckn asswpe - wish him the worst

EDIT - now i wonder what other people thought about his mysterious retirement 15 years ago.

[hawkeyebob62]

umm - the part about why no other college team (even D3) wanted to even interview/coax him after "his" decision was strange. as far as being on top of it - i assumed some cancer/disease that no one wanted leaked out there. i assumed he wanted to spend more time with his family, and help some youth club close by until the inevitable effects of cancer took him. i was wrong and certainly was not on top of it.

i get the sarcasm - but i'm a bit old and do not care to be right/wrong about this fckn asswpe - wish him the worst

EDIT - now i wonder what other people thought about his mysterious retirement 15 years ago.

I never knew who the guy was until all this happened (I really only know head coaches at other schools, unless the assistants are former Hawkeyes).

I found it interesting to read that Bill O' Brien is "discouraging" any broad rejection of NCAA sanctions. I really have to respect the guy for owning the consequences> I almost hope he sticks it out and helps them bounce back.

[528646]

If you know about the sexual assault of young boys and don't do everything in your power to make sure it stop you're a POS. Simple as that

/thread

[Billso]

EDIT - now i wonder what other people thought about his mysterious retirement 15 years ago.

It wasn't that mysterious, if you read the Freeh report.

I. Sandusky’s Decision to Retire
Before the May 3, 1998 incident in the Lasch Building, Curley had already spoken with Sandusky about his future role in the University’s football program. On February 8, 1998, for example, Curley emailed Sparner and Schultz, stating that he had several conversations over the past week with Sandusky about taking an Assistant Athletic Director position. Curley stated in the email that Paterno had also met with Sandusky about his future with Penn State football.

On February 9, 1998, Curley emailed Schultz and Spanier reporting that Sandusky did not want the Assistant Athletic Director position, and would continue coaching for the next year. Curley told them Sandusky “will have 30 years in the system next year, which will give him some options after next season.” He added, “Joe tells me he made it clear to Jerry he will not he the next head coach.”

Curley’s reference to the “system” is the Pennsylvania State Employees’ Retirement System (“SERS”) to which Sandusky belonged. From July 1, 1998 to June 30, 1999, SERS provided a “30-and-out” retirement window, allowing members like Sandusky who had 30 years of service to retire at any age without the usual early retirement penalty, and receive all retirement benefits earned to that date. Without the window, the SERS code required that members have 35 years of credited service at any age - or reach age 60 - before they could retire with full benefits.

Sandusky and others explored the possibility of starting a Division III football program at the University’s Altoona campus where Sandusky could coach. Sandusky even spoke with a businessman who was a supporter of Penn State athletics in March 1998 about financing for the plan. Paterno’s undated, handwritten notes, maintained in his home office and provided to the Special Investigative Counsel by his attorney, discussed the plan, and suggested that Sandusky work on making “FB at Altoona Happen” until the “window closes.” ‘ If Sandusky could not get the program established before the window closed, “he retires with a pension fully vested with a severance pkg. which could include deferred income or a supplemental payment for 20 year (sic)"... The Special Investigative Counsel found no evidence that the decision regarding the establishment of a football program at Altoona was related to the May 3, 1998 incident at the Lasch Building.

Sandusky did not receive offers because he did not seek offers, he made clear he wanted to maintain contact with PSU, remain in State College, and devote himself full-time to Second Mile (sickening in retrospect, but there you go). There is much more, but it concludes:

The Special Investigative Counsel did not find evidence that Sandusky’s retirement was caused by the May 3, 1998 incident at the Lasch Building.

[UP6936]

Billso

I get the whole due process, credible evidence, everybody gets their day in court, innocent until proven guilty thing and that people should not be convicted without solid, credible, provable evidence, nor be swept away by a tide of revenge, outrage and irrational emotion, but I wonder about the vigor that you put into your defense of the Penn State apologist side of this.

Sandusky has been convicted 45 times over by a jury of his peers, so we know that he was not being falsely accused.

I don't know of hardly anybody that is denying that SOMEONE with some sort of standing within the Penn State hierarchy knew that Sandusky was an active pedophile as far back as 1998, certainly by 2001.

And yet Sandusky was able to roam free and unfettered through the halls of Penn State until November of 2011. Heck, he still had his key to the PSU athletic facility WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED!!!

Whatever the Freeh report states or doesn't state, proves or disproves Penn State undeniably knew Sandusky was a pedophile and did NOTHING for at LEAST 10 years to stop him, or even slow him down!

This forum is not a court of law and as such doesn't have the burden of having incorruptible evidence that proves guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. We are free to use our (admittedly) very subjective BS detectors and cut through the usual red tape of a formal legal proceeding and surmise what probably went on and form opinions (again admittedly) to varying degrees based on emotion as well as logic and reason.

What I don't understand is if you really think Penn State is getting such a raw deal or are you just being a stickler for formality and the legal standards of evidence or are you just enjoying being a contrarian?

I don't know. Everybody deserves a vigorous and competent defense, but with what we know about this case and what seems to be quite undeniable about it, I don't see how defending PSU right now is something you'd want to put such devotion into.

[Scorpio79]

Excellent post, UP.

[BILLBUCKNER]

This is the scary thing. Sandusky didn't start doing this stuff in his old age. He's prolly been a sicko for a long long time. The fact the provable timeline starts in 98 sure doesn't mean that's where it started. I just wish Joe Paw was still alive to get grilled and face the music... I also wish Sandusky would come clean but I usually never get what I want.

Good old Joe left his family to face the music.