[beaverdaleguy]

The only other team mentioning Henderson on their site is ND since Brian Kelly has a visit this week also. Think Kirk got wind of a possible decision already made and didn't want to waste either of their times?

[ottoman89]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeNTexas

what an ignorant statement.

It's ignorant? We're successful, but we're IMO not a 1st Tier team. We don't out recruit the big boys, we don't have top recruits swarming to get here.

In no way am I upset where we're at, I love how successful we are. We just cannot recruit with the big boys.

[busabus114]

Originally Posted by ottoman89

It's ignorant? We're successful, but we're IMO not a 1st Tier team. We don't out recruit the big boys, we don't have top recruits swarming to get here.

In no way am I upset where we're at, I love how successful we are. We just cannot recruit with the big boys.

And most likely this will never change - doesnt mean we are a 2nd tier team

[Mac50702]

Originally Posted by busabus114

And most likely this will never change - doesnt mean we are a 2nd tier team

All you have to do is move the university to cancun, and i'm sure we would get plenty of traffic from the recruits.

[Hawkeye10970]

Henderson's loss.

[hoggeye70]

Originally Posted by Rawkhawk73

I'm wondering if his dad being as overly involved as he seems to be may have ultimately turned Kirk off. He's already been through this once with Jake's dad.....not sure he wants to go through that again.

Just a thought.

Been through it twice with the Hill family. Remember Kalihl Hill? Great punt returner and reciever and when his younger brother came along KF ignored his existance which was absolutly the right thing to do as he had multiple problems before being booted out by ASU.

[Hawkfromnorwalk]

He better get used to seeing Norm Parker schemes the next 4 to 5 years.

[hoffahawk]

Originally Posted by ottoman89

It's ignorant? We're successful, but we're IMO not a 1st Tier team. We don't out recruit the big boys, we don't have top recruits swarming to get here.

In no way am I upset where we're at, I love how successful we are. We just cannot recruit with the big boys.

What the hell are you talking about? Don't you think that maybe the coaching staff goes after guys that fit the system or their needs? I am sure there is a reason why KF didn't go on the visit.

Who the F' cares if we can recruit with the big boys, on the field it shows that we CAN play with them and that's really all that matters.

What do you consider a 1st tier team? We have 4 top 8 finishes in the last 8 years.

[HawkeyeDug]

Clearly there is something to it. Either character issues, Daddy issues, or early commitment elsewhere are the three most likely reasons. Nobody would pass on a visit with a recruit held that highly in regard if there weren't a good reason. Many would go on the visit regardless.

[HawkeyeShane]

Originally Posted by ottoman89

It's ignorant? We're successful, but we're IMO not a 1st Tier team. We don't out recruit the big boys, we don't have top recruits swarming to get here.

In no way am I upset where we're at, I love how successful we are. We just cannot recruit with the big boys.

Why in the HOLY hell are you tying recruiting in with what tier a team is on? Shouldn't RESULTS determine that?

Don't answer that last question, it's rhetorical...I already know the answer.

[DuffMan]

I think you guys are getting all bent out of shape for nothing.

If you don't think we are at a disadvantage in terms of recruiting compared to the Bamas, LSU's, Florida's, fOSU's, USC's of the world you are nuts. When looking at the big picture of the whole we are a 2nd tier school in terms of recruiting ability.

That being said as we have shown we have the right people in place to make us a borderline 1st tier program in terms of on the field success. There is nothing wrong with that either.

Facts is facts.

[rdubbs]

Originally Posted by ottoman89

It's ignorant? We're successful, but we're IMO not a 1st Tier team. We don't out recruit the big boys, we don't have top recruits swarming to get here.

In no way am I upset where we're at, I love how successful we are. We just cannot recruit with the big boys.

One recruit automatically makes us a 2nd tier program?

[HawKCP]

I think it says a lot about Coach Ferentz...I agree that many coaches would chase the dream even when the evidence clearly showed that they had lost the battle. Ferentz seems to never get too emotionally high or low and it seems that he hasn't bought into all of the SH hype.

I think it's very disciplined of KF to make that decision if he did indeed see a flaw in the kid that he decided didn't fit with the Iowa program...or even if he simply thought the kid was just dragging Iowa along because he wanted some additional attention.

[CAARHawk]

Any 'insiders' have the information regarding what the family is saying?

With respect to the tier thing.

I would say that we are a 1b tier team.

There have to be more than just four or five teams in the top tier. We have four top ten finishes in the 2000's. Second tier teams cannot say the same thing.

[HawkeyeShane]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeDug

Clearly there is something to it. Either character issues, Daddy issues, or early commitment elsewhere are the three most likely reasons. Nobody would pass on a visit with a recruit held that highly in regard if there weren't a good reason. Many would go on the visit regardless.

If I had to guess, and yes, I have to...I'd guess that they're going "dog and pony show" with it, maybe wanting to get the whole thing on video for that stupid show they're going to be on on ESPN and Kirk said "no thanks" to it...

I trust Kirk's "Spidey senses" more times than not so bye bye Seantrel. Good luck...oh, and you may want to be famous, just don't get there by flaming out because you're head's not on straight...being highly touted only guarantees you one thing, that you have further to fall if you're not successful.