Greg Garmon

[redhawk55]

Garmon had 38 carries all season in 12 games for 122 yards
and had 8 catchs for 57 yards not enough touchs to draw any type of a conclusion.
plus until Cotton took over he had 5 returns for 118 yards for a 23.6 ypr.
in my opinion if not for injuries he would have Red Shirted, but on the flip side if he had not got hurt a couple of plays after Bullock did, we may never had seen what Weisman could or would have done.
who knows Bullock may go back to where he was practicing be fore the injuries happened, he was working out as a slot receiver, because Cotton had not shown anything until this fall. they would make very good pair of slot receivers with Bullock taking Cottons place after he graduates,
getting as many play makers on the field as possible. Iowa is starting to get the playmakers, now its a matter of getting them on the field.
Harris and Mitchell are both listed as athletes with sub 4.5 40 speed.
even the WR are getting faster.

[KirkNOTCharisma]

On what grounds?
* rating? He was rated higher (Rivals 4*, #15 best RB) than all of these guys and the highest rated in a decade (only other 4* were Kalvin Bailey (05, Rivals 4*, #27) and Wegher (09, Rivals 4*, #16).
03 = Champ Davis
04 = Damion Sims
05 = Dana Brown
08 = Willie Lowe
09 = Shane Dibona
10 = DeAndre Johnson & Anthony Hitchens (recruited at RB)
11 = Jordan Canzeri & Torry Campbell
12 = Nate Meier

Size, strength and speed? He was as big (6'2", 200#) as at least 1/2 the guys above and bigger than several (Lowe & Canzeri, off the top of my head) and probably faster than all but maybe Canzeri.

Or are you simply commenting on the fact that, like every one of the above guys he wasn't "field ready" but somehow ended up playing? In that case, I might partially agree but the fact that he did play was mostly due to injury and attrition, not because he was expected to be a true freshman contributor.

Garmon was no where near "the least ready freshman RB". However, he was one of the most misused relative to his skill set.

It was accepted that, due to his size (DiNardo called him "slight".), Garmon wasn't brought in to be the next Greene or Coker. He was brought in due to his speed. Unfortunately, in typical Corporal Kurt fashion, he was a square peg forced into a round hole -- the round hole being between the tackles. Rarely was he used in space, or, more importantly, was the play-calling designed to get him the ball in space (pitches, sweeps, reverses) where he had some speed built up on the outside. Nope, typical inside hand-offs into an 8-man box. Slow developing stretch reads behind lumbering OL where a gap barely existed.

Garmon had skills that could have and should have contributed as a true freshman but they were squandered by the ridiculous limitations of The Offensive scheme.

Can we all just take a second to smile and think about the terrible, demeaning, and downright awful things we would have said to Herby had he posted this?

I realize this was much more logical and relevant than anything he has ever spewed on here, so in that way it's really not a fair comparison. But I just can't help but think of how much less **** he would take if he took his time to actually organize his thoughts before he starts slamming his face on the keyboard.

[redhawk55]

there are some falacies with this post about who was recruited for what positions.
Hitchens was a rb who was recruited to play DB and now is a lb'r
Dibona was a LB'r
Lowe was a DB
Campbell was a DB recruit that played RB in HS
Meier was never going to be a RB
some of the other never made past their SO year

[TychoBrahe]

Yep, and that is what I was saying over and over. His high school ran a gimmicky HUNH offense where he was pretty much exclusively lined up in the slot and got handoffs in motion. He WAS NEVER lined up in the backfield as a traditional back.

It was going to take Garmon a minimum of a year to learn how to do this, if he has the ability at all. If our coaches were more creative and better recruiters I wouldn't be surprised to see him shift out of the backfield.

This is an intelligent comment. Too often we get players from one HS system (often a spread attack) and try and immediately think they can transition to our pro-set system. Garmon was that kind of guy--I wish we had seen him do more of the stuff he did back in HS, rather than trying to mold him into an under-sized I-back. I think toss-sweep plays and screens and wheel-routes were the way to go with him (and were tried a bit, at first), though there is one other thing to think about: maybe the O-line, with their injuries, couldn't adapt, either. So, in the end, perhaps GD felt it was better to stick Garmon into an established OL philosophy rather than trying to run plays that might've been better for Garmon, but perhaps the OL wouldn't be as good at.

I think we will see BOTH a better Garmon and OL next season--that being said, I want us to spread the running game out more, anyway, with guys like Garmon and Bullock. Let Weisman do the between-the-tackles stuff.

[redhawk55]

Garmon is a play maker Iowa needs.
he can play RB, Slot Receiver and even split out to WR, that has the size and speed to do some damage
at 6'1 200 lbs I would not call him undersized.
I would like to see more swing passes to him out in the flat, where can do something with the ball.
Weisman as the H-Back, Bullock in the slot and Garmon split out at times, that's a good way to get your playmakers on the field

[dave3912]

Garmon is a play maker Iowa needs.
he can play RB, Slot Receiver and even split out to WR, that has the size and speed to do some damage
at 6'1 200 lbs I would not call him undersized.
I would like to see more swing passes to him out in the flat, where can do something with the ball.
Weisman as the H-Back, Bullock in the slot and Garmon split out at times, that's a good way to get your playmakers on the field

Agreed, he needs to be used differently than he was this year. He needs to see the field more often as well. Problem is I don't see that happening. Since GD is staying, I hope he convinces KF to allow him to open up the offense even more, especially with Garmon. I think once he gets more experience he will show everyone he is probably one of the most talented kids on the team. But if they don't use him the way they need to then he is going to be wasted talent. Which seems to be what KF and his staff seems to do, kind of like not using CJF down field and over the middle more than 2-5 yard routes.