[simpsonllp]

These numbers aren't above average... they are average at best. But these numbers don't tell the whole story. I think the story lies in our recruiting rankings. Over the last 13 years Iowa has been slightly above average in recruiting probably averaging about 40-45 in overall team rankings. Of our recruiting classes we seem to land a lopsided percentage of our 4 and 5 star athletes on the offensive side of the ball. TE's, RB's, and Offensive Lineman have made up not all, but the majority of our 4+ star recruits. What I'm saying is that if you looked at just offensive recruiting rankings then Iowa is probably close to being in the top 30. These production numbers below scream underachieving to me.



An example of an above average, if not elite coordinator is Norm Parker. His defenses ranked in the top 20 in rushing yards, total yards, and points allowed almost every year. Many years he was in the top 10 for some of these categories. And he did this while carrying a, somewhat anemic at times, offense on his shoulders.

[Section136]

How dumb are you? At least give credit to the author of the graph you used or cite your source. Look familiar?

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[Cover3]

I agree that most of the figures are average to below average, but I don't think there is usually any correlation between recruiting rankings and offensive statistics. For instance, there are MAC teams with recruiting classes ranked 70+ that are in the top 20 in total offense. There are just too many other variables (schedule, style, game situations throughout the season, etc.).

[HomerChampless]

And head coaching preferences.. Norm's squads did better than KOK's? DUH.
That's the way... uh huh, uh huh.. Ferentz likes it. Uh huh, uh huh.

[simpsonllp]

Originally Posted by Cover3

I agree that most of the figures are average to below average, but I don't think there is usually any correlation between recruiting rankings and offensive statistics. For instance, there are MAC teams with recruiting classes ranked 70+ that are in the top 20 in total offense. There are just too many other variables (schedule, style, game situations throughout the season, etc.).

You're right. Dumb correlation. Either way, the figures are average to below average. It'd be interesting to see how Iowa has done offensively under KOK in just B1G games in comparison to other B1G teams.

[JHHawk]

Not buying that the bulk of our 4 and 5 star guys were on offense.
Bulaga,Moeaki,Richardson,Doering?

Kampman,Clayborn,Ballard,Morris,Bain,Roth?

KF does not believe in running up points on non-conference cupcakes like Bielema,which keeps our scoring totals down.
I look at wins....the last decade Iowa is 2nd or 3rd in Big Ten wins,which indicates that our coaches are doing something right,as our recruiting is no better than 4th.

[HomerChampless]

Originally Posted by JHHawk

...I look at wins....the last decade Iowa is 2nd or 3rd in Big Ten wins,which indicates that our coaches are doing something right,as our recruiting is no better than 4th.

What do you interpret from Iowa's last few seasons? An anomaly, an outlier?

[1977Hawkeye]

You can argue whether the stats are deceptive or not.. But just step back, and use the eye test.. Tell me which of our units has been the reason for most of our success? The offense, or the defense?

The answer seems pretty obvious to me. We haven't been blowing people off the field.. It's our defense that has been getting the job done (the majority of years).

[CRwrestling]

Originally Posted by simpsonllp

An example of an above average, if not elite coordinator is Norm Parker. His defenses ranked in the top 20 in rushing yards, total yards, and points allowed almost every year. Many years he was in the top 10 for some of these categories. And he did this while carrying a, somewhat anemic at times, offense on his shoulders.

kok and norm parker cant be separated when talking stats. kf is a slow tempo ball control field position coach. parkers defensive stats can be attributed to kok running the clock and taking care of the football to reduce the amount of possessions the opposing offenses got.

[HomerChampless]

Originally Posted by CRwrestling

kok and norm parker cant be separated when talking stats. kf is a slow tempo ball control field position coach. parkers defensive stats can be attributed to kok running the clock and taking care of the football to reduce the amount of possessions the opposing offenses got.

And Iowa's bend and break pass defense that also limits touches for Iowa's offense.

[DJL]

We can insult KOK for hours, but we should thank him for his service and look forward to a hopefully bright future. He had some good moments, like the Insight bowl against Missouri and some bad moments (Penn State this year as one example.) I think the program is due for a shot in the arm, but as with any change it's always a little unsettling

[Hawkcrush]

Carefull, all of the sudden to write anything about KOK that is not positive is very unpopular, no matter how true it is. You will be called a troll and such or, this is my favorite, not a true fan, or even stupid. People only come on here anymore to be negative towards other posters, not share thoughts and have discourse that one could benifit from.

[deanvogs]

Originally Posted by Hawkcrush

Carefull, all of the sudden to write anything about KOK that is not positive is very unpopular, no matter how true it is. You will be called a troll and such or, this is my favorite, not a true fan, or even stupid. People only come on here anymore to be negative towards other posters, not share thoughts and have discourse that one could benifit from.

I don't think people come on here to rip others. The problem is people also don't come here to see posters ripping on coaches, and players of the team they love and support. Some of the criticisms are completely valid, but you have to admit the vitriol for KOK from supposed "hawk fans" is quite a bit over the top.

[Hawkcrush]

Originally Posted by deanvogs

I don't think people come on here to rip others. The problem is people also don't come here to see posters ripping on coaches, and players of the team they love and support. Some of the criticisms are completely valid, but you have to admit the vitriol for KOK from supposed "hawk fans" is quite a bit over the top.

Maybe, but entire posts are taken over by posters discussing what the OP was about, instead of just responding with insight. Seems like alot of posters are now more interested in insulting someone rather than having a discussion about football matters. One should be able to express an opinion with other "Hawk Fans" without having their heads ripped off cause the next guy was just looking for something to argue about rather than reading the entire post.

[droidhawk]

Our defenses were only top ten defenses because of ken okeefe's mastery of ball control. They were always well rested do to us using up all of the play clock. Even when we didn't score. Just look at the time of possession. If not for okeefe's wizardry, our d would be on the field the whole game. Also why we take the ball first. Ferentz and okeefe want to limit first half time on the field because they all know, the d can't get off the field in the 2nd half. Norm parker should donate part of his salary to okeefe. Did I hit every point?