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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by shaver363 View Post
    This is hardly relevant information. sure he is had some good offenses and he is from out of the system. but really why didn't he pick up Bill Walsh or someone else with an equal track record. typical Iowa just taking the easy way out. More of the same… Norm Parker had equal numbers and it was equally unimpressive.
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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofBTT View Post
    Well, using Texas talent in the pass happy, no defense Big IX, Texas put up 28 points per game in their first year after Greg Davis.

    Guess how many points per game Iowa put up last year.

    Go on, guess....
    You can't compare Iowa and Texas, we had a lot of injuries, a first year starting QB and we played a rugged B10 schedule that included some heavy competition. Anyway, O'Keefe outscored Texas in the Iowa State game (he put up 41 - remember?) but then as the defense let us down in some games, the offense kind of slowed down a little because the guys were dejected and we had some injuries and it was pretty windy when we played Minnesota and Nebraska.


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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by okeefe4prez View Post
    You can't compare Iowa and Texas, we had a lot of injuries, a first year starting QB and we played a rugged B10 schedule that included some heavy competition. Anyway, O'Keefe outscored Texas in the Iowa State game (he put up 41 - remember?) but then as the defense let us down in some games, the offense kind of slowed down a little because the guys were dejected and we had some injuries and it was pretty windy when we played Minnesota and Nebraska.


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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by shaver363 View Post
    This is hardly relevant information. sure he is had some good offenses and he is from out of the system. but really why didn't he pick up Bill Walsh or someone else with an equal track record. typical Iowa just taking the easy way out. More of the same… Norm Parker had equal numbers and it was equally unimpressive. I can't believe we accept this mediocrity.
    How do you pick up someone who is dead?

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    I have to say that at least the last 13 years of kok tendencies are out the window, that in itself has to give the offense a leg up and at least 7 more points a game. GO HAWKS!!

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by shaver363 View Post
    This is hardly relevant information. sure he is had some good offenses and he is from out of the system. but really why didn't he pick up Bill Walsh or someone else with an equal track record. typical Iowa just taking the easy way out. More of the same… Norm Parker had equal numbers and it was equally unimpressive. I can't believe we accept this mediocrity.
    I agree you are an idiot dude. Go back to your Jackhole....Jackhole.

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by okeefe4prez View Post
    OK4P proprietary talent rankings during the same years:

    2004 - 2nd
    2005 - 1st
    2006 - 10th
    2007 - 5th
    2008 - 3rd
    2009 - 8th
    2010 - 15th

    Davis has underperformed.
    This is precisely the sort of liable I would expect from an Okeefe partisan.

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthawk View Post
    How do you pick up someone who is dead?
    herby with no oil in his motor?

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    I believe Texas's scoring offensive numbers were better than their total defensive numbers. His scoring offense including #1 in 2005 were very good, and imo, scoring statistics are more telling than total yardage.

    From my very unscientific observations of Texas fans' reports, stats, and other dubious stuff I've found on the internet.

    Positives:

    Good at developing QB's. He's had a lot of talent to work with at QB, but he's gotten a lot out of them as well. Colt McCoy, was not your typical 5 star Texas QB recruit, and he developed into being one of the best college QB's in the game. VY, is not a quality pro QB, but the guy is one of the best college players I've ever seen. In retrospect he deserved to win the Heisman in 2005.

    Does a very good job at matching schemes to available talent. Texas was almost strictly a "pro-style" offense prior to VY, but Davis very effectively adapted the offense to a zone-read that matched VY's athletic strengths. Similarly with Colt McCoy the offensive schemes were tailored to fit his abilities very effectively.

    He's very good at putting together game plans. Analyzing film and developing a game plan that takes advantage of the opponents weaknesses.

    His team's managed to be among the most productive offenses in the country many times under his tutaledge.

    Negatives:

    Reputation as a poor recruiter. He's said to be lazy and unenthusiastic about recruiting.

    Fails to make in-game adjustments. This is a frequent criticism of Davis fromTexas fans. His pre-game analysis was good, but his in-game adjustments were poor/seemingly non-existent.

    Predicable play calling. This is a consistent criticism of him by UT fans. Especially in an over-use/dependency on the bubble-screen.

    Horizontal and not vertical passing. The team had frequent wide receiver screens but rarely threw slants that could get wide receivers yards after the catch.

    Those are some of the more frequent comments I've read.

    From what I've read of the 2011 Texas season(the year following Davis's 'resignation') much of the improvement on offense can be attributed to better play by the OL. How much of that is attributable to a new OC is hard to tell, but I suspect at Iowa the bulk of the responsibility for the offensive line schemes/formations will be from the Ferentz's. One thing I'm sure of with KF and Brian is that the offensive line will be in position to make blocks and will have good technique when they are. It sounds like the Texas line, and offense generally was in a transition year on offense and that and the sense that the Texas offense had become "stale" was more responsible for Davis's ouster than anything.

    The first thing that struck me in looking at what Davis did at Texas and what he'll go here was the obvious talent gap between the schools. Will Davis be able to raise the level of athletes to perform better at Iowa relative to their recruiting rankings than he was able to do at Texas. That's a hard call. I don't believe it's a given that he won't be able to get kids to outperform at Iowa because he's worked with mostly stud athletes at Texas. One his reputation as a good developer of QB's. The strength of Iowa's program is in player development, not schemes and i think in Davis KF sees a guy who can develop QB's. Teaching coaches are KF guys and I think in Davis he sees someone who fits that mold. Not sexy play calling but a developer or QB's. Second, one criticism of Texas's offense the last several years has been the OL. That's not likely to be the case at Iowa. Their weakness is our strength. So, while Davis is used to working with a lot more overall talent. He's not likely to have had an offensive line, and an offensive line coach/es like he'll have at Iowa. That's a strength he can play call around and count on.

    I'm not in love with this hire, he seems too much like KOK. A consistent coach, a good "teacher" but a uninspiring and predictable play caller, and I wonder how well he's going to scheme around the fact that he'll simply have a lot less talent at the skill positions to work with, but I'm beginning to believe this is a hire that has a good chance of being alright and a slightly better chance of being better than just alright. KF's strengths are really in the run game/OL, and Davis is a better passing guy. So, his coaching talents may very well compliment KF's. I'd certainly like a guy who's a good recruiter, especially coming from holy recruiting ground like Texas(and am desperately hoping Davis in the interim has found his inner recruiting Ron Zook or the Texas fans are just flat-out wrong there)but he has a good resume for offensive production even accounting for rich Texas talent.

    It may be that a year away from coaching revitalizes him, and that coupled with being around one of the real nice guys in college football makes him along with maybe feeling he needs some vindication wants to recruit the hell out of Texas. Reading the Haas article I like the idea that this guy is still looking around at other offensive systems. That tells me he's still interested in improving as a coach and isn't content with resting on just his old ways of doing things. I would have preferred Tom Moore, even if that meant just a couple of years of him, but this guy seems to fit Iowa, and while his play calling will likely be predictable it probably won't be in the same way that KOK's was.

    I'm almost cautiously optimistic about him, but not quite there yet. There's always spring practices.

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

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    I think it's a good hire....he would probably still be at Texas if it wasn't for the one bad year...he was a scapegoat.
    Like his predecessor? Is he prepared to be a goat again?

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    I find it hard to believe that a guy who get into the office at 4:30 am everyday would be a ''lazy recruiter''. Maybe he does not love pitching recruits, I suppose,but his reputation as one of the hardest workers in college football makes it hard to believe that he would be lazy at anything.

    Any Texas-related recruiting bump would be a bonus ,no doubt, but I am looking for the QB developer/OC game planning. Sounds like his in-game play-calling is questioned,just like every OC who was ever born.

    KOK was a much better play caller in 2002 when he had Banks,Clark ect,who made plays. Simple. Coach'em up,and they execute,and score points.

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    My question...who will come here that is a better hire than Davis?

    I think if Soup wanted it, he would have gotten it.

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    A good article on Texas's passing game from "Smart Football". I have some qualms with this hire, but I think some of the criticism of him from Texas fans is misplaced.

    Colt McCoy’s Texas passing game | Smart Football

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by HomerChampless View Post
    Like his predecessor? Is he prepared to be a goat again?
    Well the weren't going to make the next messiah the scapegoat so the offensive guy had to go. The offense stunk with no qb and the defense just stunk. How many defensive players off that squad were NFL caliber? More than on the offensive side...why couldn't the defense shut teams down?

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    Re: Greg Davis' Offenses Past 7 Years

    Quote Originally Posted by talkinhawks View Post
    Well the weren't going to make the next messiah the scapegoat so the offensive guy had to go. The offense stunk with no qb and the defense just stunk. How many defensive players off that squad were NFL caliber? More than on the offensive side...why couldn't the defense shut teams down?
    Are you talking about the Texas fan base or the Iowa fan base?

    I'm talking about the Iowa fan base when I talk of predecessors being scapegoats (KOK) and that the new offensive guy (Davis?) should also be prepared to be a scapegoat. You know, there are some really high ups on this board who are 'partisan' to the defense.

    Which messiah were you referring to?
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