McNutt in 6th vs DJK not drafted

**GhostofBTT** · 04-29-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nikos

Why not? He has third round talent.

Yeah, but third round talent is a completely arbitrary guideline that only exists in your head.

**2xer** · 04-29-2012, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by GhostofBTT

I'll take their analysis over yours.

And I didn't offer mine. I know when I don't know everything about a subject, unlike you.

**Nikos** · 04-29-2012, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by GhostofBTT

Yeah, but third round talent is a completely arbitrary guideline that only exists in your head.

This whole game exists in your head. Thats why a good coach makes the difference. A good coach is a good thinker.

**TexMcGruder** · 04-29-2012, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by GhostofBTT

I'll take their analysis over yours.

Three words: Tony Mandrich.

**ssckelley** · 04-30-2012, 06:27 AM

I cannot help but wonder if McNutt hurt his draft position by returning for his senior season. Was he not projected as a late 3rd to early 4th round last year?

**hogeye** · 04-30-2012, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by hawkfan33

Big difference here though, McNutt just wasn't good enough to get drafted before the 6th round while DJK wasn't drafted because Kurt used his NFL influence to have him blacklisted. He would later extend his influence into the AFL and CFL to keep DJK unemployed.

Don't forget that he is also being disallowed access to adult flag football leagues nationwide.

**LG210** · 04-30-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

DJK made his choices and the arrests, etc at the time was a pretty big deal. Big red flag. The NFL is full of players who teams have taken a chance on, but typically those players may not have had the physical questions marks, too...

The players who are deemed sure things, or close to sure things, they get more second chances because their ability screams for it. As you saw with Marvin, his ability was deemed late draft...DJK's might have been too, without the red flag. With the red flag, no draft.

Bingo.

**hogeye** · 04-30-2012, 08:55 AM

Guys, come on, we had a perfectly good conspiracy theory going about Ferentz blacklisting DJK in the NFL, CFL, AFL and even MLS. Let's not try to undermine that.

**ChosenChildren** · 04-30-2012, 01:48 PM

Maybe there was just an abundance of good receivers this year.

McNutt will get his shot to prove what he can do. He DID get drafted!

**GhostofBTT** · 04-30-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by 2xer

And I didn't offer mine. I know when I don't know everything about a subject, unlike you.

There is no subject I am not an expert on, except for topics in which I am a sexpert, or a techspert.

**HawkeyeMcNutt** · 04-30-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by hoopthemottle

Marv fell farther than many Hawk fans could believe.
DJK, too.

Iowa's best WR's just aren't as good as CFB's best WR's. It really is that simple.

Both got what they earned.

Here is hoping Marvin earns some more!

There's a difference between a great college football receiver, and a great college football receiver who translates into a professional receiver. Marvin was a top 10 WR in college football last year. He could get away with his lack of explosiveness and overcome his lack of concentration drops and still produce at a high level. Those aren't as easily overcome in the NFL, thus he struggled to get drafted high.

DJK ****ed himself over by getting his nose into something he shouldn't have.

**tm3308** · 04-30-2012, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ssckelley

I cannot help but wonder if McNutt hurt his draft position by returning for his senior season. Was he not projected as a late 3rd to early 4th round last year?

Perhaps, but that was a pretty delicate balance. Risk not playing (or getting paid) because of a potential lockout in exchange for a better draft position, or come back and risk falling due to a deeper WR class.

**trj** · 04-30-2012, 06:23 PM

I for one thought Mcnutt made the right decision coming back because I did not think he was a polished route runner. The dropsies, the separation from defenders, being labeled a long strider all seem to come recently I guess coming back gave everyone a chance nitpick.

This could all be a moot point in a couple of years, he definitely landed with the right team, the Eagles really need a big physical receiver. Andy Reid and that coaching staff are the best in the business they know what they got in McNutt.

**hogeye** · 05-01-2012, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by trj

I for one thought Mcnutt made the right decision coming back because I did not think he was a polished route runner. The dropsies, the separation from defenders, being labeled a long strider all seem to come recently I guess coming back gave everyone a chance nitpick.

This could all be a moot point in a couple of years, he definitely landed with the right team, the Eagles really need a big physical receiver. Andy Reid and that coaching staff are the best in the business they know what they got in McNutt.

I think this was a result of him coming out. His dropped passes and other issues didn't develop his SR year and his talent didn't really justify him coming out early especially having switched position mid-career.

I never saw McNutt, or DJK, as anything higher than a 4th round value, so I am not surprised by all of this as some people are.

But as you've pointed out, he's been drafted and now he has his chance to prove himself.