CBS: Doyel & Dodd want Penn State to pay

[Golfer]

Lack of institutional control. The cover up went all the way up to the former PSU President's office. NCAA will act. Friendly bet of $10 anyone?

[tm3308]

I read it, and no, PSU did not uphold the most important beliefs and values of the NCAA. However, this is way above and beyond what the NCAA is mandated to oversee. The law will take care of the guilty.

This. People need to get past the death penalty talk. It won't happen for two reasons: 1. The NCAA doesn't dish out the death penalty anymore, and 2. This isn't the NCAA's job to handle, nor should it be.

This has nothing to do with either the players or current coaching staff. The NCAA is supposed to be concerned with maintaining a level playing field (I know, they fail miserably all the time), not with being moral police.

[Golfer]

I think this is exactly the job of the NCAA. Lack of institutional control, all the way up to the top, to save a reputation, and an football team. To save a reputation and a football team over the lives of several young men.

I'm sure if this cover up wouldn't have happened, and this had come out sooner, PSU would still be as competitive on the field.

Level playing field indeed. Sounds like something out of a liberal newspaper.

[tm3308]

I think this is exactly the job of the NCAA. Lack of institutional control, all the way up to the top, to save a reputation, and an football team. To save a reputation and a football team over the lives of several young men.

I'm sure if this cover up wouldn't have happened, and this had come out sooner, PSU would still be as competitive on the field.

Level playing field indeed. Sounds like something out of a liberal newspaper.

Again, what PSU did was wrong. But it's not what the NCAA governs. There's a reason that the federal government doesn't bother with recruiting violations, pay-for-play, etc. It's not their job to police that. It's the NCAA's job, because it's an ATHLETIC association.

They won't be leveling sanctions on PSU, and they shouldn't. It's not the NCAA's business. It's the Justice Department's, and they're currently handling it.

The NCAA doesn't place sanctions on schools like Florida, or even Iowa and Iowa State, for some of the outrageous arrest numbers they have. It's never discussed as a possibility by the public, either. Because it's not the NCAA's problem.

[Golfer]

I'll bet you $10 the NCAA levels sanctions. And unfortunately, the federal government does have a role in anti-trust issues. They've eluded to exactly what you suggest above. They won't do anything, for political reasons, but they could, and if it ever got bad enough, they would.

[tm3308]

I'll bet you $10 the NCAA levels sanctions. And unfortunately, the federal government does have a role in anti-trust issues. They've eluded to exactly what you suggest above. They won't do anything, for political reasons, but they could, and if it ever got bad enough, they would.

Anti-trust issues are different than recruiting violations or pay-for-play. The government isn't going to step in and punish Ohio State for its tattoo scandal, or anything like that.

The people involved in the cover-up are going to end up in prison, or at the very least, not being able to get a job in the same field as they have enjoyed up til now (or both). Punishing more innocent people (athletes and coaches who had nothing to do any of this), isn't going to make things right.

[Golfer]

https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...adc02a668728d5

Don't fool yourself. If they could, and they will eventually will, prove NCAA football to be a commercial venture, and if things got bad enough, the Feds would step in.

A football coach from UK argues, unsuccessfully, just that. And it involved NCAA recruiting violations.

It will eventually be argues successfully.

I'm not in favor of it. I'm just a realist.

[tm3308]

https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...adc02a668728d5

Link doesn't work.

[Hal9000]

This. People need to get past the death penalty talk. It won't happen for two reasons: 1. The NCAA doesn't dish out the death penalty anymore, and 2. This isn't the NCAA's job to handle, nor should it be.

This has nothing to do with either the players or current coaching staff. The NCAA is supposed to be concerned with maintaining a level playing field (I know, they fail miserably all the time), not with being moral police.

If this is not the NCAA's job to handle whose job is it to handle? The board of trustees? Probably, but if they do not impose sanctions then I do believe the NCAA should step in there.

What is the NCAA's job? Because it seems that right now its to screw over everyone in the name of profit and then not give any of that profit to the players.

The people in a position to act did nothing, when that happens those with the ability to act must do so. Wonder who said that? The constitutional founding fathers!

[Golfer]

https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...7f57bc99aab234

[tm3308]

1. If this is not the NCAA's job to handle whose job is it to handle? The board of trustees? Probably, but if they do not impose sanctions then I do believe the NCAA should step in there.

2. What is the NCAA's job? Because it seems that right now its to screw over everyone in the name of profit and then not give any of that profit to the players.

The people in a position to act did nothing, when that happens those with the ability to act must do so. Wonder who said that? The constitutional founding fathers!

1. Um, how about the Department of Justice? And guess what? They've already convicted Sandusky, and are only just getting started on the cover up. The people involved are going to get what's coming to them, and the NCAA doesn't have anything to do with it.

2. Just because the NCAA has failed at it's original mandate doesn't mean they should overstep their bounds. This simply isn't within the NCAA's purview.

https://litigation-essentials.lexisn...7f57bc99aab234

I can only read the first segment of that article, but nothing in that segment suggests that this is an NCAA matter. In fact, it pretty clearly spelled out exactly what I've been saying:

The NCAA "coordinates the intercollegiate athletic programs of its members by adopting and promulgating playing rules, standards of amateurism, standards for academic eligibility, regulations concerning recruitment of student athletes, [and] rules governing the size of athletic squads and coaching staffs<elip>." 1 The primary purpose of the NCAA is to maintain intercollegiate athletics as an integral part of a member institution's overall educational program, and "the athlete as an integral part of the student body and, by so doing, retain a clear line of demarcation between intercollegiate athletics and professional sports."

[DwayneTwill]

Link doesn't work.

Neither does his argument.

[Golfer]

Neither does his argument.

Except it does.

[HawkeyesWin]

Sandusky wrapped himself in the trappings of an NCAA institution and used those trappings to rape little boys.

EVERYONE who mattered in said institution become aware of his 'lack of integrity' (or whatever you wish to call it) and essentially said keep using the Penn State brand but keep your raping off-campus.

It doesn't sound like lack of institutional control to me. They had a reports of raping little boys go through all of the levels of management it should have. PSU decided that the best way to honor the integrity and values of PSU, the NCAA and the student athletes was to continue letting little boys get raped.

Make no mistake, Penn State football has been branded to be a beacon of what the NCAA was supposed to be. That branding help convince the parents and guardians of these little boys to send their kids to Jerry Sandusky where many of them were raped.

[spudhawk]

Where is the outrage for the people at the 2nd Mile Charity? They seem to be getting a pass in all this. I think we are jumping the gun on all of this a bit, as we still do not know what Paterno recommended.

Did PSU screw this up- absolutely, but this is such a horrible situation I am sure they would be raked over the coals no matter how they handled this. How was Sandusky allowed to continue to exist in the 2nd Mile after the investigation in 1998? Why is no one asking that question? IMO what they did or failed to do is 100x worse than anything Penn State did or failed to do. This creep set up a charity to give himself access to disadvantaged children and take advantage of them in horrible, horrible ways. I hope there is a "miscommunication" in the prison system and this ******* is left in the general population for an hour or two.