Did NCAA Overstep its Authority?

[DwayneTwill]

When yahoosports comes out with their next big expose on some football program, the NCAA should be ready to issue sanctions within a week then.

No. The Freeh report was Penn State's own report. They didn't dispute it, essentially pleading guilty to the findings.

[treychase]

Then if "lack of compliance" or "lack of oversight" is what they are citing, then let's see the other first-time offense penalties for "lack of compliance". And if it is the "heinous" nature of the crimes...then it WAS about the crimes. See a circle forming?

TreyChase, in one post, cites that the rapes were not what the NCAA used. In another, the cites the rapes as "multiple offenses". Can't have it both ways...

Again, I don't think ANYone has a problem with PSU receiving punishment. I am amused, though, by those who think they, personally, are the final authority on punishment or morality.

the non-compliance opened the door.
Everything from that point forward is fair game for the ncaa to investigate.

The multiple, repeating offenses of the actual rapes is law enforcement. The noncompliance in allowing it to happen, hiding it, etc is what the ncaa dealt with.
There were multiple repeating occurrences of this behavior. PSU knew this & that is why they agreed to the sanctions yesterday & avoided the death penalty, even tho some think this is worse, (LOLOLOLOL).

[SpiderRico]

That they no longer need to follow the established process, that the NCAA doesn't need to do their own investigation, that they have the authority to punish schools without clear rule violations.

When yahoosports comes out with their next big expose on some football program, the NCAA should be ready to issue sanctions within a week then. They no longer have to wait to find evidence on their own. Remember when they couldn't do anything to Cam Newton because they supposedly couldn't find a rule his father broke by asking for money? Well that no longer matters, they can just go ahead and declare him ineligible.

How dense are you? The NCAA often times DOESN'T do their own investigation, but instead relies on the member institutions findings and self-reporting of violations. Did you not listen to a single word that Emmert said? He specifically stated that the Freeh report, with their interviews of 435 witnesses and review of over 3.5 million documents, was more thorough than the NCAA would have ever done. And in the end, PSU agreed with the findings. So if the guilty party conducts their own investigation, the findings make the guilty party look even worse than before the investigation, and the guilty party agrees with the findings....what more can you ask for?

Goodness!

[olivecourt]

That they no longer need to follow the established process,

The NCAA is always knocked for being too slow to act. Finally, they move with some speed and clarity, and now we want them to be a big lumbering bureaucracy instead.

that the NCAA doesn't need to do their own investigation

I'm curious as to what an NCAA investigation would have discovered that a former assistant US attorney general and director of the FBI (who was hired by Penn State) didn't. Sounds like an expensive waste of time.

that they have the authority to punish schools without clear rule violations.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...nce-manual.pdf

2.1.2 Scope of Responsibility. The institution’s responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.

When yahoosports comes out with their next big expose on some football program, the NCAA should be ready to issue sanctions within a week then.

If you don't see any difference between the former head of the FBI-- who was hired by Penn State, and whose findings were accepted by the university as fact-- and Dan Wetzel, then I don't know what to tell you.

They no longer have to wait to find evidence on their own.

"Sorry, Penn State-- we appreciate the fact that you spent seven months and tens of thousands of dollars cooperating with the former head of the FBI, who in turn produced a 250+ page report. We'd like to do that all over again."

Remember when they couldn't do anything to Cam Newton because they supposedly couldn't find a rule his father broke by asking for money? Well that no longer matters, they can just go ahead and declare him ineligible.

I guess I missed the part when Auburn commissioned a report by the former director of the FBI arguing that Cam Newton should have been ineligible. And by the way, if what comes out of this is that the NCAA moves faster and with greater authority in situations like the Cam Newton saga-- I'm all for it. Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[hawkeyebob62]

I continue to be amused at the "this is worse than the death penalty" gibberish.

PSU agreed to these penalties rather willingly because, get this, they didn't want the death penalty.

See the humor in that.

It IS worse than the "death penalty" in many ways. I really don't see them being competitive--or even relevant--in football for at least 10 years.

Then again, as the promoter of Greg Brady-as-Johnny Bravo said, "Hey, mama, you seen 'im, you dug 'im". They created/perpetuated the mess.

[hawkeyebob62]

Umm, they are the final authority on punishment. Hence why PSU is going to be serving a 4 year suspension followed by a 5 year probation.

By the way, your "first time offender" stuff doesn't fly when the facts are that there was an obvious lack of control for 14 years?

Please, think before you write. Thanks in advance!

<<Please think before you write>>

Self-advice, sport.

Under previous NCAA cases, this type of incident would be treated as "one offense". Like it or not, that's the fact.

BTW, there is only ONE "eyewitnessed" case (2001). That victim never stepped forward. The other, 1998, was never prosecuted.

[hawkeyebob62]

the non-compliance opened the door.
Everything from that point forward is fair game for the ncaa to investigate.

The multiple, repeating offenses of the actual rapes is law enforcement. The noncompliance in allowing it to happen, hiding it, etc is what the ncaa dealt with.
There were multiple repeating occurrences of this behavior. PSU knew this & that is why they agreed to the sanctions yesterday & avoided the death penalty, even tho some think this is worse, (LOLOLOLOL).

I cite two occurences directly involving PSU: 1998 (never prosecuted) and 2001 (one eyewitness). The victim from 2001 allegedly never came forward for purposes of prosecution.

Length of time? That it lingered for 14 years is despicable. But there is only "proof" on those. And "length of time" assumes there are more cases that DEFINITIVELY, CONCLUSIVELY occurred at PSU.

Again, the whole thing is despicable. But given the conclusive facts? Unless you want to cite "covering up" one event for 14 years as "multiple offenses"?

[treychase]

It IS worse than the "death penalty" in many ways. I really don't see them being competitive--or even relevant--in football for at least 10 years.

Then again, as the promoter of Greg Brady-as-Johnny Bravo said, "Hey, mama, you seen 'im, you dug 'im". They created/perpetuated the mess.

This is not worse than the death penalty.

Penn St agreed to these penalties to AVOID the death penalty.
Do people agree to penalties that are WORSE than an alternative.
If THIS is worse than the death penalty, why isn't this penalty the death penalty.
See how moronic it is.

This is the perfect example of media shaping opinions.
Some media dorks think its "clever" to say..whoa, whoa, this is worse than the death penalty and people run with it.
Its simply not. That notion is ridiculous.

[treychase]

Bill O'Brien was just asked if these sanctions were worse than the death penalty.....
He of course said, No.

Can this worse than the death penalty gibberish now stop.

Goodness

[treychase]

I cite two occurences directly involving PSU: 1998 (never prosecuted) and 2001 (one eyewitness). The victim from 2001 allegedly never came forward for purposes of prosecution.

Length of time? That it lingered for 14 years is despicable. But there is only "proof" on those. And "length of time" assumes there are more cases that DEFINITIVELY, CONCLUSIVELY occurred at PSU.

Again, the whole thing is despicable. But given the conclusive facts? Unless you want to cite "covering up" one event for 14 years as "multiple offenses"?

Jerry Sandusky was convicted on 45 counts.
I'd call that "multiple offenses"

LOL

[David79]

Jerry Sandusky was convicted on 45 counts.
I'd call that "multiple offenses"

LOL

LOLOL

[treychase]

LOLOL

LOLOLOLOL

[Scorpio79]