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Old 01-19-2010, 12:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A moral question?

Ok so, this weekend while at a bar, having a good time, no issues. Prince is playing and I'm vibin. Prince cuts out because it was closing time. I turn to a table of 2 girls and 2 dudes next to me and say "aw man that sucks!" And one of the females says "Yeah, you would like Prince you F'ing Fa**ot". I'm obviously taken aback and ask why she would say that? She continues to run her mouth so I say "Well, I'm going to walk away now. I would say I'm going the be the bigger person, but that's clearly not true." Yes, a fat joke to a woman. At this point my buddy's girlfriend is standing there and makes a comment. The other girl jumps up out of nowhere and attacks my wife who is just standing there. My wife is 5' about 110. This chick.....was not 5' or 110....if u catch my drift. I obviously lost my mind.

My question to you is....if you saw your wife getting attacked by a much larger woman for no reason, would you ever hit a woman? I did not. But for the FIRST time in my life I promise you i thought about knocking her flat out. Had they not gotten it broken up and she continued to attack her.... I really dunno what I would have done. Anyway, just an interesting question I've never even considered because hitting women has always been the most cowardly thing next to beating children in my mind.

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Old 01-19-2010, 12:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

I don't know that I'd swing on her (unless it were legit self-defense), but I'd damn sure shove her fat *** backward hard enough for her to bruise her shoulderblades (well, the fatty flesh covering them, anyway) on the floor.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

My wife is quite handy with her mitts (used to train in a legit boxing gym), so even though she is only 5'5", she can pretty well take care of herself.
However, if some angry female walrus somehow got the better of her, you bet I'd intercede. No punching, but firm restraint administered with bias.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

Well lets see here. Closing time at a bar...I am sure everyone was as sober as a church lady then.

1) Its obivious that you were bumbed out that the fun evening was coming to and end. (even though I like Prince as much as I like cats).
2) You rightfully express you disappointment in the end of the evening
3) Obviously the stranger was bombed and has trouble handling herself while drunk and insults you.
4) You say you are going to be the bigger person but in reality say about the worst thing possible. (btw you emotionally punched her with your comment)
5) ANother person with you feels the need to intervene because they are your friend.
6) your wife gets the bad end of the deal

Your and the drunken wench are both at fault here by creating a situation where your wife nearly gets pummled. Next time if you can ignore the cretin wenches in this world who obviously cannot handle alcohol.

Now to answer your question. Your wife needed to be protected....breaking up the fight would be the best way to go. Even if it means grabbing your wife and running.

This coming from a former RUGBY player.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

Unless the other girl was really, really fat, I find it outside of the bounds of moral behavior to break up a girl fight, particularly if you failed to tell your bros about said girl fight in a timely manner.
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well lets see here. Closing time at a bar...I am sure everyone was as sober as a church lady then.

1) Its obivious that you were bumbed out that the fun evening was coming to and end. (even though I like Prince as much as I like cats).
2) You rightfully express you disappointment in the end of the evening
3) Obviously the stranger was bombed and has trouble handling herself while drunk and insults you.
4) You say you are going to be the bigger person but in reality say about the worst thing possible. (btw you emotionally punched her with your comment)
5) ANother person with you feels the need to intervene because they are your friend.
6) your wife gets the bad end of the deal

Your and the drunken wench are both at fault here by creating a situation where your wife nearly gets pummled. Next time if you can ignore the cretin wenches in this world who obviously cannot handle alcohol.

Now to answer your question. Your wife needed to be protected....breaking up the fight would be the best way to go. Even if it means grabbing your wife and running.

This coming from a former RUGBY player.
Christ, quit over analyzing the situation. So you would take the high road every time someone you don't know insults you for an unknown reason, I call BS. It's fine if the trick had a problem with me, but she crossed the line if she tried to attack my wife. As Chris Rock would say "I would never hit a woman, but I would sure shake the **** out of one."
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

Wow, sounds like an episode of "The Jersey Shore".
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bro..it totally was!! It was pretty surreal. Came out of nowhere.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
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, but she crossed the line if she tried to attack my wife. As Chris Rock would say "I would never hit a woman, but I would sure shake the **** out of one."
The dude asked a question and I gave my advice. As someone who has been in LOTS of fights in my days and in Jail a few times..I will admit that ALL of those situations would have been avoided for me if I simply would have left the scene QUICKLY. I have learned from my past (42 years old now) and I am conviced that fists are almost always not the answer. THere is no way you can tell me that this guy couldn't have intervened and taken his wife away without punching the fat wench.

If you can get out of a situation without punches being thrown then why wouldn't you take that route? Its really quite simple Force your wife away from the fat wench and leave very quickly...or is it an issue of being afraid as being thought of as a coward who ran away with his wife? a bunch of strangers and a fat drunk chick who won't even remember the next morning anyway?

And you avoid the potential of assault charges being filed against you if you punch the chick. My God do you guys remember the lawyer who went after iowa for the pink locker rooms. That is all you would need is some feminazi man hater lawyer going after you for punching the fat ugly outcast.

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No punching, but she'd be off my wife in a hurry, let's just say that.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Bro..it totally was!! It was pretty surreal. Came out of nowhere.
By getting up and "almost" walking away you did the right thing. By your story the fat girl was out of line.

your (rather humorous) remark back at her was poor judgement in return. Walking away means walking away. I have done what you did many many times...and gotten my A$$ kicked a few times as well. If you wouldve just got up and walked away chances are this thread wouldn't exist.

Sounds like you were actually being cordial with them to begin with when you griped about the night ending.
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Yeah, problem was she had 2 BIG handfulls of my wife's hair which was why it was difficult to get her away.
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Old 01-19-2010, 04:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

while on fishing trip once, I got sunburned. that night at a bar this conversation happened:

Fat woman bartender to me: ever heard of sunscreen?
Me to fat bartender: ever heard of jenny craig?

no punching involved.
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Old 01-19-2010, 05:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: A moral question?

I don't drink any more and my wife has maybe a glass of wine or a beer in an evening - tops. So these types of situations do not happen as often these days.

With that being said, if you attack my wife, you attack me. I don't care if you are man, woman or otherwise - attack my wife and I will do whatever is in my power (and whatever it takes) to end said attack. Period.

On a side note for those that don't know - in my world (biker), you are responsible for your wife/girlfriend's behavior and will be held accountable. I have seen more than one guy get punched because his SO was a drunken idiot and ran her mouth. FYI.
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Old 01-19-2010, 05:35 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm fine with going to a bar, but it's been my expereince that not much good happens at a bar around closing time, after midnight for that matter.
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