The Cubs' $18,875,000 Man

**Thomzahawke** · 06-26-2010, 10:16 AM

Zambrano once said he thought this would be his last contract...guess hw was right. I say get him outa there, waive him. who cares where he lands.

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Thomzahawke

Zambrano once said he thought this would be his last contract...guess hw was right. I say get him outa there, waive him. who cares where he lands.

so you would like to pay the $40 mil remaining on his contract while he pitches for someone else

I say make him throw 400 pitches a game. Refuse to take him out.

**woodyk1** · 06-26-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by busabus114

so you would like to pay the $40 mil remaining on his contract while he pitches for someone else

I say make him throw 400 pitches a game. Refuse to take him out.

Nope. That would be rewarding Big Z. I bet that is what he would want. It's all about him. He would want to bat cleanup too. This is a guy who needs to be somewhere else. It needs to be about the team. Get rid of him - we were able to get rid of Milton Bradley!

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by woodyk1

Nope. That would be rewarding Big Z. I bet that is what he would want. It's all about him. He would want to bat cleanup too. This is a guy who needs to be somewhere else. It needs to be about the team. Get rid of him - we were able to get rid of Milton Bradley!

Youre delirious if you think Z can be traded. The only reason Bradley was traded is because Silva had a contract worse than his. You find me a contract worse than Z's and then I will believe you. It doesnt exist

Its the same reason that the Cubs cant trade Soriano either

**ShadasRevenge** · 06-26-2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by busabus114

Youre delirious if you think Z can be traded. The only reason Bradley was traded is because Silva had a contract worse than his. You find me a contract worse than Z's and then I will believe you. It doesnt exist

Its the same reason that the Cubs cant trade Soriano either

Who says they have to trade him? They can always put him on waivers and see if anyone bites. The Red Sox did it with Manny several years ago, but nobody bit on that. Players get put on waivers all the time, but the majority of the time it's kept pretty quiet.

Zambrano has been the most coddled player on the team since Sosa, and the Cubs shipped Sammy's *** to Baltimore despite owing him money, and that was with penny-pinching McFail running the team.

It's not like it matters anyhow. Not for this team, and not for this year.

**woodyk1** · 06-26-2010, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ShadasRevenge

Who says they have to trade him? They can always put him on waivers and see if anyone bites. The Red Sox did it with Manny several years ago, but nobody bit on that. Players get put on waivers all the time, but the majority of the time it's kept pretty quiet.

Zambrano has been the most coddled player on the team since Sosa, and the Cubs shipped Sammy's *** to Baltimore despite owing him money, and that was with penny-pinching McFail running the team.

It's not like it matters anyhow. Not for this team, and not for this year.

Agreed. Bus, this is what I was thinking of. I don't think it will probably happen, but someone might bite on the waiver wire. There have been examples of problem players being picked up by other teams who think they can straighten them out.

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 03:41 PM

LOL

The reason he cant be traded is because he has one of the 5 worst contracts in baseball. This is the same reason no one will claim him off waivers. He is an immovable object. If you think someone is going to take a $20 million dollar a year man off waivers in this economy youre even more delusional then i thought.

Z is either a Cub or the Cubs will have to pay someone to take him. Those are the two options

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by woodyk1

Agreed. Bus, this is what I was thinking of. I don't think it will probably happen, but someone might bite on the waiver wire. There have been examples of problem players being picked up by other teams who think they can straighten them out.

If you can give me one example in last few years of this happening for someone making the money Z is owed I will admit I am wrong

The closest thing I can think of is the white Sox trading NOBODY for Alex Rios, it was a pure salary dump by the Jays but Rios was not a clubouse problem and had upside which he is showing this year

**ShadasRevenge** · 06-26-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by busabus114

LOL

The reason he cant be traded is because he has one of the 5 worst contracts in baseball. This is the same reason no one will claim him off waivers. He is an immovable object. If you think someone is going to take a $20 million dollar a year man off waivers in this economy youre even more delusional then i thought.

Z is either a Cub or the Cubs will have to pay someone to take him. Those are the two options

A player being waived and player being traded are two different things. In effect, placing a player on the waiver is the same thing as releasing him. Any team that makes a claim has 10 days to work out a deal with the other team. A lot of times, if the two teams can't work something out, the waived player is pulled back and no one even knows about it.

Hendry has swindled some fools before, I wouldn't put it past him to do it again, and then hopefully resign afterward.

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ShadasRevenge

A player being waived and player being traded are two different things. In effect, placing a player on the waiver is the same thing as releasing him. Any team that makes a claim has 10 days to work out a deal with the other team. A lot of times, if the two teams can't work something out, the waived player is pulled back and no one even knows about it.

Hendry has swindled some fools before, I wouldn't put it past him to do it again, and then hopefully resign afterward.

In understand the difference between a trade and the waiver wire. No one is going to claim a guy on waivers with Zambrano's contract and therefore the Cubs are stuck with him

Do you honestly think anyone is going to claim Z? Cmon, you have a better chance of getting claimed

**ShadasRevenge** · 06-26-2010, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by busabus114

In understand the difference between a trade and the waiver wire. No one is going to claim a guy on waivers with Zambrano's contract and therefore the Cubs are stuck with him

Do you honestly think anyone is going to claim Z? Cmon, you have a better chance of getting claimed

No, I don't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. The Cubs don't need Z's approval to put him on the waiver wire, and yes a team would claim him if it meant the Cubs were going to pay the remainder of his salary. If it hasn't been done all ready, I'd be surprised.

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by ShadasRevenge

No, I don't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. The Cubs don't need Z's approval to put him on the waiver wire, and yes a team would claim him if it meant the Cubs were going to pay the remainder of his salary. If it hasn't been done all ready, I'd be surprised.

I dont know what youre arguing with me about. I said several posts ago the only way the Cubs get rid of Z is by paying at least the majority of his salary. Then you and Woody implied the waiver wire would work....which it wont unless the cubs eat at least 75% of his remaining salary

The best option remains to make him pitch every day and throw 800 pitches a week until he retires out of pain or his arm falls off and they can collect the insurance money.

**woodyk1** · 06-26-2010, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by busabus114

I dont know what youre arguing with me about. I said several posts ago the only way the Cubs get rid of Z is by paying at least the majority of his salary. Then you and Woody implied the waiver wire would work....which it wont unless the cubs eat at least 75% of his remaining salary

The best option remains to make him pitch every day and throw 800 pitches a week until he retires out of pain or his arm falls off and they can collect the insurance money.

Besides that not being realistic, I don't have a problem with it.

2 smaller examples:

1) Dontrelle Willis is owed $12 this year. Detroit put him on waivers and then worked out a deal to Arizona (including $). This is a much smaller scale than Z and less years on the deal.

2) Jose Contreras was signed to a 4 year, $32 million contract in December 2002. He was traded to the White Sox before 2 years of the contract were done because he struggled with the Yanks.

Again, not as much as Big Z (or even the clubhouse problems necessarily), but it happens. If a team thinks they can fix him, the Cubs can try to dump him (and they will pay a lot of his salary). What is hurt by putting him on waivers?

**busabus114** · 06-26-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by woodyk1

Besides that not being realistic, I don't have a problem with it.

2 smaller examples:

1) Dontrelle Willis is owed $12 this year. Detroit put him on waivers and then worked out a deal to Arizona (including $). This is a much smaller scale than Z and less years on the deal.

2) Jose Contreras was signed to a 4 year, $32 million contract in December 2002. He was traded to the White Sox before 2 years of the contract were done because he struggled with the Yanks.

Again, not as much as Big Z (or even the clubhouse problems necessarily), but it happens. If a team thinks they can fix him, the Cubs can try to dump him (and they will pay a lot of his salary). What is hurt by putting him on waivers?

Nothing is hurt....and my guess is its already been done. If the Cubs can find a sucker then Christmas will come early