[goods10]

Cardinal or Angel?

He was with the Cards for 11 years. He will more than likely be with the Angels for the full 10 years before he retires.

As of right now he would go in as a Cardinal. At minimum what would he have to accomplish as an Angel to go in to the HOF as an Angel?

[Hawkfromnorwalk]

If his stats trend the way normal players should (ie start dipping around age 34 or so) then that would mean his best days were with the Cards therefore he goes as a Cardinal.

[DwayneTwill]

Cardinal, unless he somehow finds another gear in Anaheim in his late 30's.

[ssckelley]

It would be a shame if he went into the HOF as anything other than a Cardinal. St Louis is where he made his mark and like DTwill said he would have to find another gear in California in order for this to even be in question.

[FromFry2Ferentz]

If he wins 2 titles with the Angels and breaks the home run record then Angels.

[HawkPrdatr40]

Originally Posted by ssckelley

It would be a shame if he went into the HOF as anything other than a Cardinal. St Louis is where he made his mark and like DTwill said he would have to find another gear in California in order for this to even be in question.

This..


I firmly believe that he will go in as a Cardinal. Unless something happens between Pujols and Cardinals.

[99topdawg]

Players no longer choose which team they go in as a member of. 10 years is a long time to hold onto the memory of him in Cardinal red, at least to those that don't cheer for St. Louis or LA.


In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation. (For example, though Wade Boggs denied the claims, some media reports had said that his contract with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays required him to request depiction in the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray.)[22] The Hall decided that it would no longer defer to the inductee, though the player's wishes would be considered, when deciding on the logo to appear on the plaque. Newly elected members affected by the change include the following:
Gary Carter: Inducted in 2003, Carter was the first player to be affected by the new policy. Carter won his only championship with the 1986 New York Mets, and wanted his induction plaque to depict him wearing a Mets cap, even though he had spent twelve years (1974–84, 1992) with the Montreal Expos and only five (1985–89) with the Mets. The Hall of Fame decided that his plaque would instead show Carter with an Expos cap.
Wade Boggs: Boggs's only championship was as a member of the 1996 New York Yankees, for whom he played from 1993–97, but his best career numbers were posted during his eleven years (1982–92) wearing the Boston Red Sox uniform. Boggs would eventually be depicted wearing a Boston cap for his 2005 induction, despite his acrimonious relationship with Red Sox management.
Andre Dawson: Dawson's cap depicts him as a member of the Montreal Expos, his team for eleven years, despite his expressed preference to be shown as a member of the Chicago Cubs. While Dawson played only six years with the Cubs, five of his eight All-Star appearances were with the Cubs, and his only MVP award came in his first year with the Cubs in 1987.[23][24]

National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[busabus114]

Depends on whether or not MLB starts HGH testing

[brett108]

Originally Posted by 99topdawg

Players no longer choose which team they go in as a member of. 10 years is a long time to hold onto the memory of him in Cardinal red, at least to those that don't cheer for St. Louis or LA.


In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation. (For example, though Wade Boggs denied the claims, some media reports had said that his contract with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays required him to request depiction in the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray.)[22] The Hall decided that it would no longer defer to the inductee, though the player's wishes would be considered, when deciding on the logo to appear on the plaque. Newly elected members affected by the change include the following:
Gary Carter: Inducted in 2003, Carter was the first player to be affected by the new policy. Carter won his only championship with the 1986 New York Mets, and wanted his induction plaque to depict him wearing a Mets cap, even though he had spent twelve years (1974–84, 1992) with the Montreal Expos and only five (1985–89) with the Mets. The Hall of Fame decided that his plaque would instead show Carter with an Expos cap.
Wade Boggs: Boggs's only championship was as a member of the 1996 New York Yankees, for whom he played from 1993–97, but his best career numbers were posted during his eleven years (1982–92) wearing the Boston Red Sox uniform. Boggs would eventually be depicted wearing a Boston cap for his 2005 induction, despite his acrimonious relationship with Red Sox management.
Andre Dawson: Dawson's cap depicts him as a member of the Montreal Expos, his team for eleven years, despite his expressed preference to be shown as a member of the Chicago Cubs. While Dawson played only six years with the Cubs, five of his eight All-Star appearances were with the Cubs, and his only MVP award came in his first year with the Cubs in 1987.[23][24]

National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So longevity isn't the decision maker, nor is statistical or player preference? This system sounds about as corrupt as the BCS.

[bcl20]

Originally Posted by brett108

So longevity isn't the decision maker, nor is statistical or player preference? This system sounds about as corrupt as the BCS.

The HOF itself is kind of a sham so, yes, in a way it is.

[DwayneTwill]

Originally Posted by brett108

So longevity isn't the decision maker, nor is statistical or player preference? This system sounds about as corrupt as the BCS.

Based on the inductions listed in the link, longevity *does* seem to be the factor.

[Billso]

Originally Posted by 99topdawg

Players no longer choose which team they go in as a member of. 10 years is a long time to hold onto the memory of him in Cardinal red, at least to those that don't cheer for St. Louis or LA.


In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation. (For example, though Wade Boggs denied the claims, some media reports had said that his contract with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays required him to request depiction in the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray.)[22] The Hall decided that it would no longer defer to the inductee, though the player's wishes would be considered, when deciding on the logo to appear on the plaque. Newly elected members affected by the change include the following:
Gary Carter: Inducted in 2003, Carter was the first player to be affected by the new policy. Carter won his only championship with the 1986 New York Mets, and wanted his induction plaque to depict him wearing a Mets cap, even though he had spent twelve years (1974–84, 1992) with the Montreal Expos and only five (1985–89) with the Mets. The Hall of Fame decided that his plaque would instead show Carter with an Expos cap.
Wade Boggs: Boggs's only championship was as a member of the 1996 New York Yankees, for whom he played from 1993–97, but his best career numbers were posted during his eleven years (1982–92) wearing the Boston Red Sox uniform. Boggs would eventually be depicted wearing a Boston cap for his 2005 induction, despite his acrimonious relationship with Red Sox management.
Andre Dawson: Dawson's cap depicts him as a member of the Montreal Expos, his team for eleven years, despite his expressed preference to be shown as a member of the Chicago Cubs. While Dawson played only six years with the Cubs, five of his eight All-Star appearances were with the Cubs, and his only MVP award came in his first year with the Cubs in 1987.[23][24]

National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think they got it right with Boggs, but clearly wrong with Dawson. That wasn't just a cup of coffee he had with the Cubs. Carter's kind of a coin flip, should've deferred to the player there.

[HawkeyeShane]

Wade Boggs ruined it for the players as far as the decision making goes...it was his gentlemen's agreement with TB, saying he would go in as a Ray after they signed him that made MLB and the HoF take the privilege away from the players...Dawson not going in as a Cub still pi$$es me off...but not nearly as much as Santo getting the nod AFTER he died...

[DwayneTwill]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeShane

Wade Boggs ruined it for the players as far as the decision making goes...it was his gentlemen's agreement with TB, saying he would go in as a Ray after they signed him that made MLB and the HoF take the privilege away from the players...Dawson not going in as a Cub still pi$$es me off...but not nearly as much as Santo getting the nod AFTER he died...

I agree. Santo getting in is a travesty. Just because the guy died isn't reason to throw him in there.

[HawkeyeShane]

Originally Posted by DwayneTwill

I agree. Santo getting in is a travesty. Just because the guy died isn't reason to throw him in there.

Mean spirited...I hope your entire favorite team gets diarrhea on a cross country flight...