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Old 10-13-2011, 07:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Why can't we recruit?

We will never be a consistent top 15 in recruiting unless we cheat.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:41 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Ferentz isn't going to go after kids with issues and I respect him for that. If you land a bunch of top recruits, you typically have more issues in my opinion. I think we have plenty of talent (except D line), it's more of an issue of the staff not playing young guys and building depth. When we get hit with an injury, we are stuck playing a guy with little PT and it shows. MSU rotates about a dozen D linemen in, allowing their starters to be fresh in 4Q.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:34 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Ferentz isn't going to go after kids with issues and I respect him for that. If you land a bunch of top recruits, you typically have more issues in my opinion. I think we have plenty of talent (except D line), it's more of an issue of the staff not playing young guys and building depth. When we get hit with an injury, we are stuck playing a guy with little PT and it shows. MSU rotates about a dozen D linemen in, allowing their starters to be fresh in 4Q.
I agree to an extent. How is KF and co supposed to get young DL in when there are hardly any. Is McMinn supposed to get reps when he weighs 219 lbs? Maybe Cooper, but other than that I think most of the young guys are getting reps, they just aren't big/physical enough yet or maybe they're just not good.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:06 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I've always been baffled by the way recruiting works and what goes through recruits heads in college football. It seems like we always end up with an extremely average recruiting class with hardly any 4 and 5 star recruits. I know stars don't mean everything, but usually those players pan out to be better than the 2 and 3 stars.

What's the issue of a recruit coming to play in Iowa? I've never understood the statement other than it's cold during the winter. Durp.

We have extremely nice facilities, a proven coaching staff, a nice campus, solid education, and large fan base. Most of these are some of the best in the country.

I know basketball is completely different and played inside, but how is Fran getting his highly regarded players to come here?

My point is why can our football program never take that next step in the recruiting process and start bringing in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone snagging a couple top 150 players? Wisconsin, Missouri, Nebraska, Stanford, BYU, Vanderbilt, TCU, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Arizona State have top 25 classes at the moment. I know a lot can change, but there is absolutely no reason that we can't be doing the same.

Are Kirk and company not targeting and pursuing highly rated players hard enough and just letting them go to the big time programs? Or is he satisfied with getting the mostly 3 star class?

It would be a lot of fun seeing Kirk and company develop some of these highly rated players seeing with what the staff can do with these middle of the road players.

Finally, does it bother anyone else that it seems that FSU, ND, Clemson, and South Carolina seem to recruit half of the top 150 year in and year out, yet they hardly produce the results you would expect. IE Florida State this year and they still are signing top end recruits left and right.
First, posts like THIS ^^^ don't help, either with current players or current recruits. And it shows just how uninformed any fan base can be. Second, we don't have the pipeline--ahem, in terms of extra "juice"--that some recruits "require". As an FYI/aside, recruits don't "turn" bad (a la OSU or USC players) because of the school. They, their parents or their guardians are already/inherently bad. And as was pointed out in another thread, KF and staff don't "play" that, nor do they make promises of playing time, or even position.

<<(D)oes it bother anyone else that it seems that FSU, ND, Clemson, and South Carolina seem to recruit half of the top 150 year in and year out, yet they hardly produce the results you would expect>>

You just shot your whole premise down with that statement. KF/staff HAVE gotten a few "big-time"/highly-rated recruits. How many haven't panned out? Yet, the 2008 team b*tch-slapped South Carolina in the Outback Bowl.

It isn't about "ratings", it's about the staff seeing players they can work with, who fit the system and who WANT to work hard and make themselves better.

What do Seantrel Henderson, Gunner Kiel and a host of others have in common? Egotistical/overbearing parents/guardians/advisors who want to run the show. For the class-envy/KF-makes-too-much crowd, that means KF gets paid to do Sean Henderson's or Blair Kiel's "de facto" job. The Occupy Kinnick folks would go nuts.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:20 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Not sure if this thread is serious....
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