[JonDMiller]

Originally Posted by GhostofBTT

It makes me wonder how the ACC and Big 10 fell so far behind that a dozen kids would rather fight for a roster spot at Auburn rather than star someplace with snow.

Because everyone believes they are the one.

[JonDMiller]

Originally Posted by DFaceHawkeye

If you get ESPN the Mag, there is an interesting article about how "Stars" don't correlate to wins and coaching still really matters more. I couldn't find a link to the online article, but here is a blog talking about the article. The original article is well worth its short read.

Blog

Rebutted by this

Star Power: Be they ever so humble, recruiting rankings still do the job | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo! Sports

[INTIMIDATORHawk]

I really hope that the new upcoming (optional) rule allowing schools to offer 4 year scholarships helps Big Ten recruiting. Something tells me that the SEC will not be participating in that.

[thejumper5]

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Because everyone believes they are the one.

This is the truth. Everyone thinks he's the one who will cause someone else to get cut. There are very few high school seniors and college freshmen that are self-aware enough to recognize that they're being fed a line by coaches. Those that do realize it don't go to schools that oversign.

Also, it's no coincidence that oversigning has worked best in the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi, states where the public education system is the worst in the country.

[GhostofBTT]

Originally Posted by thejumper5

This is the truth. Everyone thinks he's the one who will cause someone else to get cut. There are very few high school seniors and college freshmen that are self-aware enough to recognize that they're being fed a line by coaches. Those that do realize it don't go to schools that oversign.

Also, it's no coincidence that oversigning has worked best in the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi, states where the public education system is the worst in the country.

Oh please. That's not at all a little insulting is it? Kids only go to the SEC because they're too stupid to know better? I think they know they can get cut. I think they choose to go anyways, because they think they can play.

No one, not an 18 year old kid, and not a 70 year old man, wants to believe, or admit to themselves, that they will fail if they try to compete.

[olddude]

Originally Posted by GhostofBTT

Oh please. That's not at all a little insulting is it? Kids only go to the SEC because they're too stupid to know better? I think they know they can get cut. I think they choose to go anyways, because they think they can play.

No one, not an 18 year old kid, and not a 70 year old man, wants to believe, or admit to themselves, that they will fail if they try to compete.

Or, what he meant was with the higher entrance requirements of other confs, they choose to try and go to an sec school rather then work for it to get into conf's such as the B10. Thats why we are all still pulling for Coe, he said he wanted to go here and now is putting in what it takes to make that happen, that says alot about a person.

[GhostofBTT]

Originally Posted by olddude

Or, what he meant was with the higher entrance requirements of other confs, they choose to try and go to an sec school rather then work for it to get into conf's such as the B10. Thats why we are all still pulling for Coe, he said he wanted to go here and now is putting in what it takes to make that happen, that says alot about a person.

Just listen to a Reggie Evans interview if you think the Big 10 isn't honestly accepting any mental deficient that comes along.

You just repeated one of the most pathetic fallacies that Big 10 fans use to rationalize the mediocrity of our football programs.

[simpsonllp]

The SEC, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, and Texas have owned recruiting the last decade. They also own all of the BCS titles.

Anyone who says stars and recruiting rankings don't matter doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by simpsonllp

The SEC, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, and Texas have owned recruiting the last decade. They also own all of the BCS titles.

Anyone who says stars and recruiting rankings don't matter doesn't know what they're talking about.

So has FSU, Miami, ND, Michigan, Georgia, and Tennessee. Even UCLA and A&M saw two years since 2002 of top 10 classes.

So yes, sometimes stars and rankings matter. Sometimes they don't.

[JHHawk]

Rivals had an article breaking down the 2011 class,and once again it is so apparent that geographic locale is the single biggest determining factor in recruiting excellence.
Iowa produced a total of 8 div 1 scholly football players last year. They were like 42nd,with only states that had no division 1 school behind them,cept for West Va..

The Southeast produces so many more than any other region it is silly.
I look at it like this:

The Big Ten is like Great Britian...a wealthy but fading power whose natural resources are now very limited,especially since the far-flung colonies(the south before they integrated) no longer provide those resources.
The SEC is like the USA...flush with both wealth and natural resources,passing up the old power.
The Big 12 is like USSR...not as wealthy,but with plenty of natural resources.

Bottom line....the midwest produced the second least div 1 players after the NE.
Is it any surprise that the schools that have the most prep players around them,recruit the best?

Btw...on the ESPNU Signing Day Preview today,they listed the Big Ten order as follows:
OSU, Mich,Iowa,Wisk,Neb......#3 in the league is very good for Iowa.

[MoseSchrute]

^#3 in conference is very impressive for what we've been through the past two years. Now they just have to put this talent to good use.

[ColoradoHAWKEYE]

Originally Posted by JHHawk

.. The Southeast produces so many more than any other region it is silly.I look at it like this: The Big Ten is like Great Britian...a wealthy but fading power whose natural resources are now very limited,especially since the far-flung colonies(the south before they integrated) no longer provide those resources.The SEC is like the USA...flush with both wealth and natural resources,passing up the old power.The Big 12 is like USSR...not as wealthy,but with plenty of natural resources.

what a great analogy...well said JH.

[simpsonllp]

Originally Posted by JHHawk

Rivals had an article breaking down the 2011 class,and once again it is so apparent that geographic locale is the single biggest determining factor in recruiting excellence.
Iowa produced a total of 8 div 1 scholly football players last year. They were like 42nd,with only states that had no division 1 school behind them,cept for West Va..

The Southeast produces so many more than any other region it is silly.
I look at it like this:

The Big Ten is like Great Britian...a wealthy but fading power whose natural resources are now very limited,especially since the far-flung colonies(the south before they integrated) no longer provide those resources.
The SEC is like the USA...flush with both wealth and natural resources,passing up the old power.
The Big 12 is like USSR...not as wealthy,but with plenty of natural resources.

Bottom line....the midwest produced the second least div 1 players after the NE.
Is it any surprise that the schools that have the most prep players around them,recruit the best?

Btw...on the ESPNU Signing Day Preview today,they listed the Big Ten order as follows:
OSU, Mich,Iowa,Wisk,Neb......#3 in the league is very good for Iowa.

Very nice analogies. The Big 10 also thrived from segregation which put southern schools at a disadvantage. Since the desegregation of schools in the south they've caught up about 20 years ago and now they're leaving the north in the dust.

I'd liken the south to that of China. Rapidly growing population and improving infrastructure. Great resources (athletes) and total disregard for the environment (academics, oversiging, etc.)

The Big 10 is like the United States though. Still the most powerful conference in terms of monetary value. But the SEC (China) and Pac 12 (India) will likely surpass the B1G in monetary value within the next 20-30 years.