The Self-Limitations of Recruiting at Iowa

[Easton]

I find the bad impression comment odd since this has never been reported anywhere. The opposite is usually reported. Consistently.

[ohhawk]

* The right leader and staff can make up many shortfalls on the recruiting trails.....people make a difference when recruiting. How much importance does the leader place on recruiting vs. other traits that staff might bring when he makes hiring decisions?

* In general, when the OSU's, ND's, MI's, and a few others make their way through their Midwest backyards for the elite the rest are left with 2nd tier players. In my opinion 2nd tier players in CA, TX, FL (as example) are better than 2nd tier players in the Midwest that we are currently focused on.

* MAC talent = MAC results

* I'll give some credit to Ferentz for making some changes in his personnel and recruiting structure in the off season. I believe he recognizes we need more focus in that area. However, that in itself, doesn't guarantee better talent coming soon......takes time and the right recruiting personnel.

Yes there are limitations at Iowa but why wouldn't a head coach recognize this and build his staff with more sales talent to help offset these limitations? This doesn't mean we would have been bringing in the elite all the time but I do believe we would have been doing better in many head to head battles.

We'll see how we finish this year with our recruiting class and how many of the fallback candidates (with primarily MAC offers) that we end up bringing aboard vs. landing a couple prize candidates with numbers of Top 30 programs chasing them.

They say you do best at the things you enjoy. I think Ferentz enjoys the day to day job of developing the players he gets. He has shown he's pretty good at that. I don't think he has enjoyed the recruiting part of the game for a long time and I believe that shows as well.

[redhawk55]

A few observations on Iowa recruiting, especially about how the coaching staff has seemingly chosen to limit Iowa's recruiting in a variety of ways.

1. Iowa virtually ignores the juco world. Iowa Western CC is the premiere JuCo program in America; they finished an undefeated national championship season yesterday. They have 14 players who have FBS offers. Only one, RB Aaron Wimberly, has an Iowa offer, but he didn't receive his offer until after he had already committed to Iowa State. QB Jake Waters is down to Penn State and Kansas State; he's been called by some analysts the best juco QB in America. Waters grew up in Iowa, but he does not have an Iowa offer. If Bill O'Brien, who coached Tom Brady and helped turn Matt McGloin into the best passer in the Big Ten, thinks Waters is a scholarship level QB for Penn State, then I am 100% Waters is a scholarship level QB for Iowa. Yes, taking Waters would mean that Iowa has 5 QBs next year, two of whom would be 4th year juniors, but I don't think that is enough reason to ignore a guy who is as good at him.

2. Iowa virtually ignores the deep south, Florida, and California, three of the five areas of the country (the other areas are Texas and northern cities) that produce the most D1 talent. If you take a look at this map of Iowa's 2013 offers, you'll notice that almost all of Iowa's offers have gone to players in either Big Ten country or Texas. Yes, Iowa is likely to lose out on a vast majority of players they recruit from California, Florida, and the South, but, as the old saying goes, you can't win if you don't play.

Thoughts?

just goes to show how ignorant a poster can be.
Iowa brought in 6 JUCO's in January 3 of which were from IWCC

[redhawk55]

its also time to realize who Iowa goes up against in these talent laden teams, in Florida. they have every body in the SE going after these kids, it going to be hard to convice these kids to travel 1500 miles minimum to play FB and go to school, short of paying these kids how is KF and his staff supposed to get them.
you complain about the recruiting but nobody has come up with a legal way of convincing these kids to play here.

[GhostofBTT]

Super talented guys wind up in Jucos for one of two reasons: 1- They're stupid, or 2- They got arrested.

[herkyattack]

just goes to show how ignorant a poster can be.
Iowa brought in 6 JUCO's in January 3 of which were from IWCC

At least one of those JUCO's is a walk-on who will likely never see the field.

[ssckelley]

just goes to show how ignorant a poster can be.
Iowa brought in 6 JUCO's in January 3 of which were from IWCC

its also time to realize who Iowa goes up against in these talent laden teams, in Florida. they have every body in the SE going after these kids, it going to be hard to convice these kids to travel 1500 miles minimum to play FB and go to school, short of paying these kids how is KF and his staff supposed to get them.
you complain about the recruiting but nobody has come up with a legal way of convincing these kids to play here.

2 more classic posts by herby

Name calling and picking fights, this is what herby is good at.

[redhawk55]

2 more classic posts by herby

Name calling and picking fights, this is what herby is good at.

and you still have no clue. and must really be butthurt over something

[redhawk55]

as for Dawson his reason for RS'ing is because there was a conflick with the Scjholarship he was on and the FB Scholarship,
nice try at trying to trash a kid and trash any Iowa recruit from the JUCO colleges

[herkyattack]

as for Dawson his reason for RS'ing is because there was a conflick with the Scjholarship he was on and the FB Scholarship,
nice try at trying to trash a kid and trash any Iowa recruit from the JUCO colleges

Forgot about Dawson. That makes two of the six JUCO players who are walk-ons and will likely never play significant snaps. Boy, are you clueless!

[INTIMIDATORHawk]

Your posts are getting very old. Find something new and equally stupid to post.

Your level of douchebaggedness can only be learned. No way it is genetic.

[redhawk55]

Forgot about Dawson. That makes two of the six JUCO players who are walk-ons and will likely never play significant snaps. Boy, are you clueless!

I am CLUELESS"
as I said there was a conflict between Schollies so they RS'd him to keep his other scholarship,
but in your thinking Hill was a wasted scholly because he ended up RS'ing. and every kid that Red shirts is a wasted scholly and will never play.

[GhostofBTT]

and you still have no clue. and must really be butthurt over something

Teh werd "Butthurt" is now officially over used.

I'm sorry I opened that casket.

[herkyattack]

I am CLUELESS"
as I said there was a conflict between Schollies so they RS'd him to keep his other scholarship,
but in your thinking Hill was a wasted scholly because he ended up RS'ing. and every kid that Red shirts is a wasted scholly and will never play.

Yes, you are clueless. You take things people say, twist them, and formulate your own conclusion that is no where CLOSE to what they said (See post #27 in this thread, for example). Dawson does not have a football scholarship. Next year, he won't have a football scholarship either. Next year we will have at least 5 scholarship RB's on the depth chart ahead of him. 3 of them will be SO or younger. He's probably a great young man; I don't know the kid. But he is a player that will be likely recruited over and will likely never carry the ball as a Hawkeye.

[kmurp]

Is there any way we could sell all of this talent in 2014 as to being a "return to glory" type of class in the state and the midwest in general? In the way that a Georgia did a couple years ago. Maybe a reach but getting all the big rated guys in the state to be friends and bond over going to Iowa?

ISU appears to have the best chance at achieving that at this point.