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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Some people really hate success. It is kind of sad.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Really Jay? That is your take away from this? Cal has a history of leaving programs in turmoil and you think it is just because we hate success that we surmise the same may soon happen to Kentucky.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by nationalchamps View Post
    If the heat gets turned up on Cal he will bolt for the NBA this time around.

    Cool!

    Then he would get a chance to coach players that receive their money above the table!

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeyeMike23 View Post
    Probably because none of the sanctions had anything to do with him. It's pretty simple really.
    I guess we disagree on this one.

    Cal's like a mob boss. Good luck pinning anything on him, but kind of odd the same dirty characters seem to always be around his programs.

    How exactly was Rose eligible at Memphis again?

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Maybe this is worth it's own thread, but how do you guys feel about Worldwide Wes? Good for the game? Bad for the game? Sleezy beyond belief? All of the above?

    I'm not real sure how to feel about him. On the one hand, he's been connected to some of the seedier aspects of basketball the past few years, but on the other hand, he's allowed for some great connections to be made along the way. I lean toward disliking his presence around the game, but I'm not sure.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    calipari is as dirty
    as they come and it shouldn't come as any surprise as this stuff goes back to uconn. he's no Pat Summit even if you
    like football.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sioux34 View Post
    Really Jay? That is your take away from this? Cal has a history of leaving programs in turmoil and you think it is just because we hate success that we surmise the same may soon happen to Kentucky.
    Well when he actually gets something pinned to him let me know. It is incredibly annoying how people just throw the "cheater" phrase out there about any successful coach. Calipari is no dirtier than every other major college coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwirlinLingerie View Post
    I guess we disagree on this one.

    Cal's like a mob boss. Good luck pinning anything on him, but kind of odd the same dirty characters seem to always be around his programs.

    How exactly was Rose eligible at Memphis again?
    Because the NCAA clearinghouse approved him. Only to change their mind a year later and then deem him ineligible. How anyone blames Cal for that is beyond me.

    There's more evidence out there that Coach K paid players than Calipari. Myron Piggie is so much shadier than anyone Cal has ever been connected with, yet somehow people think he is all that is wrong with college basketball. Lot of jealous haters out there.

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    There are various reasons why to agree with the OP on this. History repeats itself and it continues to follow Calipari. I am not claming that he is one of the dirtier coaches out there, but there have been problems wherever he has been.
    So what it comes down to with Calipari is the perception of what is going to happen and when because how he gets so many elite players every year.
    The real question that remains is when does Kentucky become ineligible for the NCAA tourney? He has had how many kids drafted each year? He has replaced them with the next great wave of freshman each year and this year may be no different. When does the APR come into play? Darius Miller will graduate, but he was there prior to Calipari, are there any recruits not named Lamb/Jones that are still there since Calipari has been at Kentucky?
    Personally, I am not a fan of Calipari and I don't like how he has built Kentucky, but if he is doing it within the rules, so be it. He is not the worst thing in college basketball, he makes things interesting. Fantasy land is fun thinking about what will happen if anything. If I was the University of Kentucky, I would be keeping a close tab on the APR.
    One thing, people focus on Rose while at Memphis, but there are other players that has a lot of questions surrounding them but Rose was the true star. Dozier, Douglass-Roberts and a couple of role players that ended up leaving the program had a lot of questions surrounding them as well. It is one thing if it were just Rose, but when it is a total of three starters and two key role players that ended up leaving it raises questions as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportstalent View Post
    There are various reasons why to agree with the OP on this. History repeats itself and it continues to follow Calipari. I am not claming that he is one of the dirtier coaches out there, but there have been problems wherever he has been.
    So what it comes down to with Calipari is the perception of what is going to happen and when because how he gets so many elite players every year.
    The real question that remains is when does Kentucky become ineligible for the NCAA tourney? He has had how many kids drafted each year? He has replaced them with the next great wave of freshman each year and this year may be no different. When does the APR come into play? Darius Miller will graduate, but he was there prior to Calipari, are there any recruits not named Lamb/Jones that are still there since Calipari has been at Kentucky?
    Personally, I am not a fan of Calipari and I don't like how he has built Kentucky, but if he is doing it within the rules, so be it. He is not the worst thing in college basketball, he makes things interesting. Fantasy land is fun thinking about what will happen if anything. If I was the University of Kentucky, I would be keeping a close tab on the APR.
    One thing, people focus on Rose while at Memphis, but there are other players that has a lot of questions surrounding them but Rose was the true star. Dozier, Douglass-Roberts and a couple of role players that ended up leaving the program had a lot of questions surrounding them as well. It is one thing if it were just Rose, but when it is a total of three starters and two key role players that ended up leaving it raises questions as well.
    Good try but Kentucky has one of the highest APR's of any BCS level school in the country. As long as players leave school in good academic standing, leaving early for the draft has no negative impact on your APR. Which is how it should be, you shouldn't be penalized for preparing your players to become future millionaires.

    NCAA Academic Progress Rates Released - Kentucky Wildcats Official Athletic Site

    And what questions surrounded CDR or Dozier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeyeMike23 View Post
    Good try but Kentucky has one of the highest APR's of any BCS level school in the country. As long as players leave school in good academic standing, leaving early for the draft has no negative impact on your APR. Which is how it should be, you shouldn't be penalized for preparing your players to become future millionaires.

    NCAA Academic Progress Rates Released - Kentucky Wildcats Official Athletic Site

    And what questions surrounded CDR or Dozier?
    Lots of questions on how they were eligible academically, that was the story at the time anyway...seems not a lot ever came of it. A lot of folks thought CDR left because of this, but again, nothing new after the info on Rose came out.

    The rules used to penalize programs for having kids leave early, much like the 5-3 rule, I don't know a lot about the APR, thanks for the info...it would be a concern if it worked like the old rule of players have to graduate in six years or the program is affected...very good rule change IMO.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sportstalent View Post
    Lots of questions on how they were eligible academically, that was the story at the time anyway...seems not a lot ever came of it. A lot of folks thought CDR left because of this, but again, nothing new after the info on Rose came out.

    The rules used to penalize programs for having kids leave early, much like the 5-3 rule, I don't know a lot about the APR, thanks for the info...it would be a concern if it worked like the old rule of players have to graduate in six years or the program is affected...very good rule change IMO.
    Anthony Davis noted on Kimmel last night how Calipari is still making them go to class. There is a reason he is doing that as Mike just showed us a few posts ago. Calipari seems to have figured some things out.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeyeMike23 View Post
    Good try but Kentucky has one of the highest APR's of any BCS level school in the country. As long as players leave school in good academic standing, leaving early for the draft has no negative impact on your APR. Which is how it should be, you shouldn't be penalized for preparing your players to become future millionaires.

    NCAA Academic Progress Rates Released - Kentucky Wildcats Official Athletic Site

    And what questions surrounded CDR or Dozier?
    I haven't heard anything on CDR. He left Memphis so he could go pro. He was a first-team AA and wasn't going to get better as a senior. Maybe there's a story, but I don't know what it is. Here's this on Dozier:

    Robert Dozier of Memphis Tigers had SAT invalidated - ESPN

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwirlinLingerie View Post
    I guess we disagree on this one. Cal's like a mob boss. Good luck pinning anything on him, but kind of odd the same dirty characters seem to always be around his programs. How exactly was Rose eligible at Memphis again?
    Because the NCAA clearinghouse approved him. Only to change their mind a year later and then deem him ineligible. How anyone blames Cal for that is beyond me.There's more evidence out there that Coach K paid players than Calipari. Myron Piggie is so much shadier than anyone Cal has ever been connected with, yet somehow people think he is all that is wrong with college basketball. Lot of jealous haters out there.
    rose was cleared on a basis of a test that he didnt take. someone took the act or sat for him and that is how he became eligible. the ncaa found out later.

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    Re: How long before UK has to vacate this championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkeyeMike23 View Post
    Because the NCAA clearinghouse approved him. Only to change their mind a year later and then deem him ineligible. How anyone blames Cal for that is beyond me.
    Being a Bulls fan, I'm glad it worked out for them a year later. It was pretty obvious that a few people had their hand in helping Rose cheat on the SAT's. Anything can be worked around if you're a good athlete.
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