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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUer View Post
    Just like when Nebraska was in the Big 12, the most expensive games at Jack Trice were Iowa and Nebraska. Iowa has done the same thing for the ISU and Nebraska games. And the ISU game has always been more than big games for Iowa.
    Are you disagreeing with something I said? Or agreeing?

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUer View Post
    The thing they forget, Pollard spins circles around Barta.
    Laughable. Take a look at the projects Barta has raised funds for since he has been here and rethink your statement. You are an idiot.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by trj View Post
    I am surprised more Cyclone fans do not think this way load up on bottom feeder MAC teams, Sun Belt conference teams, go .500 in conference and get preferential treatment in bowl games because the fan base travels well.

    At this point, do you really need Iowa on the schedule?
    No, we don't.

    I do think in a way it's honestly hurting more than it's helping.

    While I think there is a portion of the fanbase that is obsessed with Iowa and certainly does circle the game, IMO the bigger problem is the casual fans. I think ISU has a great core of absolute diehards. I think there are about 30k-35k diehard fans that will purchase tickets and attend games even if we went 2-10 the next 5 years. I think there are about 20k more people who will buy tickets and attend as long as we don't suck balls.

    There are more people than that in the area that are interested in the Clones and would love to see a game, but absolutely will not care if they think we won't be good.

    Here is where the Iowa game is a problem IMO. There are years like last year, where we get a nice bump because of the Iowa game win. We won a very exciting game against an Iowa team a lot of people thought would be pretty good. It's a game that even the most casual of observers was watching. I think it has a positive effect on attendance and fan excitement through the rest of the season as a result, although I've never really checked the stats.

    However, if we get our butt kicked, I think that's a cue for the casual fans to tune out. We got beat by Iowa, we obviously aren't on a competitive level with them, so we probably won't be good this year, wake me when next season starts.

    IMO the positive feelings have a much better chance to exist consistently if we play 3 cupcakes all at home before conference play. The fans get to see their team play, there is positive media coverage/word of mouth, and everybody is happy with their team.

    The best era in ISU football was the 70s, when we won at a high level within the conference, and went to bowls when it actually meant something. That also coincided with not playing Iowa.

    I don't think not playing Iowa will automatically return to that, but I think the chance is better and I don't know why ISU fans are afraid of that possibility. As much as the 6 wins to a bowl thing is borderline embarrassing, I'd like to see a 4 year period where we hit that mark every year and have all the players experience that those extra 15 practices going into the bowl games every year. I want to see what kind of effect that can have on our program.

    That said I'm a dual fan (although I obviously swing way more to the ISU side) and the game honestly isn't that much fun for me. I enjoy to win, I enjoy well played games when they happen, but I hate the office smack talk and the fact somebody has to lose.

    Edit: holy crap this is long.
    Last edited by BryceC; 05-18-2012 at 09:01 AM.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ICHawk24 View Post
    ISU grossly inflates the ticket price for the Iowa game. Iowa prices ISU, along with other big games, slightly higher on their schedule.

    The ISU game is a guaranteed sellout for Iowa, but most games are. When ISU hosts Iowa, they get a guaranteed sellout that is unlike most of their other games.

    Under the previous terms of the series, when the teams would pay the visiting team a small amount (under $500k), ISU would receive more from Iowa than Iowa received when they played at ISU.

    So I guess you can claim ISU "benefits more", and it would be true. But that isn't the comparison. The accurate comparison for Iowa is comparing the ISU game to any other possible OOC matchup they can schedule. They make more money off the ISU series than they could from two LA Tech payout games. They make more money off ISU that any other BCS game they schedule (Pitt, Arizona, etc.). Why? A road trip to ISU is very cheap when compared to anyone else. And ISU is a guaranteed sellout that can charge a slight premium while Pitt/Arizona are a likely sellout with either no premium or a slight premium.

    And the game is fun for the state.
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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ICHawk24 View Post
    Are you disagreeing with something I said? Or agreeing?
    I agree and disagree. Iowa's most expensive ticket (outside of scalping) is almost always the ISU game and I see they have done what ISU did with the Nebraska game, increase the prices.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Section136 View Post
    Laughable. Take a look at the projects Barta has raised funds for since he has been here and rethink your statement. You are an idiot.
    I think both are good AD's. Pollard has literally doubled the athletic budget in the 7 years he's been the AD at ISU. He has drug us out of the stone age (grudgingly at times) and has done a phenominal job. Honestly I don't know the business but I doubt anybody could have done better.

    Now, he did hire Greg McD, so he'll always have that hanging over his head.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUer View Post
    I agree and disagree. Iowa's most expensive ticket (outside of scalping) is almost always the ISU game and I see they have done what ISU did with the Nebraska game, increase the prices.
    Iowa categorizes ISU in their premium level, but ISU grossly increases the Iowa game. It "feels" wrong to Iowa fans, even though the series is a financial win for Iowa. I bet Barta and co. like having this game on the schedule.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ICHawk24 View Post
    Iowa categorizes ISU in their premium level, but ISU grossly increases the Iowa game. It "feels" wrong to Iowa fans, even though the series is a financial win for Iowa. I bet Barta and co. like having this game on the schedule.
    I will take that a step further and say the ISU game, if it is at Kinnick, is usually the most expensive ticket of the year (minus this season with Nebraska). I have been to a lot of games at Kinnick and paid a lot of money in tickets outside of just the Iowa State games and the ISU is always the most expensive buy, just like the Iowa game is in Ames.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I think both are good AD's. Pollard has literally doubled the athletic budget in the 7 years he's been the AD at ISU. He has drug us out of the stone age (grudgingly at times) and has done a phenominal job. Honestly I don't know the business but I doubt anybody could have done better.

    Now, he did hire Greg McD, so he'll always have that hanging over his head.
    I never said Pollard is doing a poor job. ISUer's statement that Pollard is running circles around Barta is the laughable part. Pretty much like everything else that he types.
    Last edited by Section136; 05-18-2012 at 09:15 AM.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    I'm fine either way. I think it would be good to not play them every year however. Twice every 4 years, then the 2 years we play a different BCS team. When we don't play ISU we play UNI 1 of the years. That way the emotional aspect of Instate games are at most once per year.
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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUer View Post
    I will take that a step further and say the ISU game, if it is at Kinnick, is usually the most expensive ticket of the year (minus this season with Nebraska). I have been to a lot of games at Kinnick and paid a lot of money in tickets outside of just the Iowa State games and the ISU is always the most expensive buy, just like the Iowa game is in Ames.
    iirc, Iowa ticket prices between games tend to be pretty balanced. Nothing more then about $15 above the average price.

    ISU's iirc, was $50 above the average.
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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Section136 View Post
    Laughable. Take a look at the projects Barta has raised funds for since he has been here and rethink your statement. You are an idiot.
    The BTN is building those facilities, not Barta. Im not saying hes a bad AD, but he is at a top 25(if not higher) revenue producing school, and thats due to a great tv deal. That money would be there no master who was AD. Maybe he schmoozes the Drs/Lawyers like no other, I don't know, but Pollard is selling ketchup popsicles to eskimos in white gloves.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Let's not forget the stunt in 2007 were Pollard said no individual tickets were for sale for the Iowa game.
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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ripvdub View Post
    The BTN is building those facilities, not Barta. Im not saying hes a bad AD, but he is at a top 25(if not higher) revenue producing school, and thats due to a great tv deal. That money would be there no master who was AD. Maybe he schmoozes the Drs/Lawyers like no other, I don't know, but Pollard is selling ketchup popsicles to eskimos in white gloves.
    Iowa is 2nd in the big ten in donations. That reflects extremely well on Barta.

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    Re: PAC12 OOC games and drop ISU...thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by pmchawk View Post
    iirc, Iowa ticket prices between games tend to be pretty balanced. Nothing more then about $15 above the average price.

    ISU's iirc, was $50 above the average.
    I would like to see where the $50 is coming from. I believe its more in line of $30 more for the Iowa game, I could be wrong since I dont buy single game tickets. And with the $15 for Iowa, I believe I paid over $20-$30 more for the ISU ticket 4 years ago in IC than I did over the 2 Big 10 games I went to that season. And 2 years ago, I went to a non conference game Iowa game and a Big 10 game and paid around $30 less for the non con game and $20 some less for the Big 10 game. I go to a ton of football games in the state, so I remember what I pay.

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