[pin2win]

time to panic for the clones?

[imported_Tmoney12]

Paul Roadies!!!!!!

[Churlish79]

Not according to Brett..

[atxhawk]

Wow. Never thought I would see something like that. That's not good, for them or the sport.

[FromFry2Ferentz]

This is shocking. Who would have ever thought this could happen.

[DuffMan]

I don't follow rasslin much. Can someone give me the cliff notes on how something like this happens. I know traditionally they are usually pretty strong, weren't they a top 5 program just a few years ago?

[Hawkeye11en1]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I don't follow rasslin much. Can someone give me the cliff notes on how something like this happens. I know traditionally they are usually pretty strong, weren't they a top 5 program just a few years ago?

Their Golden Boy, Mr. Undefeated, packs his bags and his recruits, and takes their talents to North Beach aka PSU, leaving ISU with next to nothing.

They just lost to Mizzou 35-4 or something like that. Ouchies.

[pin2win]

jackson is blaming it on the team he was given and also injuries

[pumpdog20]

And I'm blaming Jackson and the Big 12. Iowa State sells itself in the wrestling world, not a whole lot of recruiting should be necessary to beat the Armys and Bostons of the world.

Jackson has created an enviroment where excuses are okay. The Big 12 has created an environment where the Big 12 is now irrelevant as far as a wrestling conference, save OSU. Mizzou will have a good team, too bad they're leaving.

[pumpdog20]

Originally Posted by hawkeyeguy85

A perfect example of why Virginia Tech did as much as they could to get in the way of Brands and bringing guys here.

This is what happens.

True, except they would have just gone back to what they were before. ISU is different in this regard.

[castille]

I used to watch Coach Nichols and Coach Les Anderson take kids who weren't studs or blue chip wrestlers, and turn them into national champions and olympic champions. Of course, Dan Gable was well on his way but still got better because of the coaching.

[20eyes]

Originally Posted by castille

I used to watch Coach Nichols and Coach Les Anderson take kids who weren't studs or blue chip wrestlers, and turn them into national champions and olympic champions. Of course, Dan Gable was well on his way but still got better because of the coaching.

And then Dan went on to do the exact same thing.

This is the worst ISU team ever and Cale is only half of it. KJ isn't building wrestlers, period. There should never be this drop off at ISU.

[dwh5er]

I talked someone in the wrestling community who stated simply that KJ is a great guy but clueless when it comes to recruiting and coaching. Targeting guys who cannot qualify for D1 and offering scholarship $ to kids that nobody else would offer more than a walk-on opportunity.

[SPGroth]

During a recent high school tournament, a few coaches and referees were saying that Trent Weatherman and the Gadsen kid's injuries might be career threatening. Is that true? Gadsen was a "man-child" in high school. I was curious to see what he could do in the college ranks.

[eyekwah]

In the revised Big 12 aren't there just 4 schools left with wrestling programs, ISU, OSU, OK, and WVA? It looks like it will be tough to recruit when the conference has less than half its members without a wrestling program. To compound the problem the nearest conference member with wrestling is OkSU. Losing Missouri and Nebraska hurt ISU more than anyone else. This is not good for college wrestling.