Blocking rules

Discussion in 'Football' started by 4thngoal, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. 4thngoal

    4thngoal Well-Known Member

    Remember, if it's a pass play, these option teams cannot have an ol block past 1 yard.
    The refs better be calling that.
    I remember KF getting pretty upset about this before, and for good reason. Because that is no different than holding or pass interference.
    Stoops and many others have been burned on them not calling this rule either.
     
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  2. pythagoras

    pythagoras Well-Known Member

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  3. Fryowa

    Fryowa Well-Known Member

    It’s 3 yards in NCAA.

    The 1 yard rule is in the NFL.

    That’s why RPO is video game-level effective in college ball.
     
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  4. 4thngoal

    4thngoal Well-Known Member

    My bad.
    Well if they are going to give you 3, but when you transition to the NFL it's 1, it's even more vital and imperative to call it at the college level.(enforce the rules!) Better to error on the side of caution when in doubt, before developing bad habits that would require one more thing for an offensive lineman (or entire defense) to alter or habit to break to make the transition to the next level as fluid as possible.

    Being in a rpo system and practicing that every day year after year is not good if you are planning on going pro. I have been saying that for years and here is just one more example of why.
     
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  5. Fryowa

    Fryowa Well-Known Member

    Your first sentence above is completely false.

    RPO in college football isn’t going anywhere, and it doesn’t have any negative effects on NFL prospects. RPO is used like crazy at the pro level. You’re looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

    It’s not a college fad, it’s a shift in how football is played, similar to when the West Coast offense was coming about.

    The only effect it’s going to have on Iowa is that in 3 years they won’t be able to call Hawkeye quarterbacks “pro style” anymore because the NFL will be 100% option from the shotgun.

    If you’re arguing for ineligible receivers downfield to be called more tightly that’s understandable, but saying it’s a problem related to a certain scheme, or that playing in an RPO offense hurts your skill set for the pros, that’s ridiculous. If you want to play pro ball having experience with it only helps you.
     
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  6. Chickenlounge

    Chickenlounge Well-Known Member

    So what will the new term be? Classic style? Vintage? Retro? Let's coin it now and trademark it so we get paid when the announcers talk about Iowa QBs. :)
     
  7. Fryowa

    Fryowa Well-Known Member

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  8. 4thngoal

    4thngoal Well-Known Member

    Uh huh, because you see the qb run the ball 10-15 times a game in the pros? You can't block the same in college as the pros?
    The difference in 1-3 yards means the defense is going to read things differently or faster.

    Different rules and thus different teaching especially for years and years of being told this is your keys, finish your blocks ect gets ingrained.
    The style of play gets ingrained.
    If you go back and look there are attributes of an athlete that coaches of the college rpo look for that absolutely do not transfer to the pros.
    Remember Ohio State and several schools have had a few that while yes they got drafted, but not for their college position and haven't heard much about them since.
    You have to be an elite athlete to even get that chance. I mean really elite. Because they have to go back and retrain you.

    Finally I would ask which team rpo or pro probably gets called for and should get called even more for blocking to far down field? It's required for the rpo to work at it's best. Then I would ask why did the NCAA consider changing the rule if not because rpo teams and what they were teaching.
    No I don't think rpo transfers over to the NFL as easily as you think.
     
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  9. Chickenlounge

    Chickenlounge Well-Known Member

    I'm no expert, but that might already be taken.
     
  10. Fryowa

    Fryowa Well-Known Member

    Man, you really need to learn to quit while you're ahead.

    Cam Newton - 101 Rushes, 488 YDS
    DeShaun Watson - 99 Rushes, 551 YDS
    Josh Allen - 89 Rushes, 631 YDS
    Dak Prescott - 75 Rushes, 305 YDS
    Mitchell Trubisky - 68 Rushes, 421 YDS
    Russell Wilson - 67 Rushes, 376 YDS

    Now go look 15 years ago and see what those stats look like from QBs.

    Quenton Nelson, Kolton Miller, Frank Ragnow, Billy Price, and Garrett Boles are all first round offensive lineman in the past 2 years (the only first round OL draftees, I might add), they all come from schools that lean on the option, and they're absolutely tearing it up in the NFL as starters. Two of them are Pro Bowlers. I don't know what pro football league you watch and read about, but "haven't heard much about them since" sure as hell doesn't apply to any of those guys.

    You're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole the more you talk. You're literally telling us that learning how to block for a team that runs an option out of the shotgun (63% of all snaps in the NFL were taken in the shotgun last year, and that number is trending up every year) is a hindrance to an NFL prospect...Do you even realize how stupid that sounds? Last year, of those snaps taken in the shotgun, 77% were passes. https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html

    You should really admit that you either had a stroke, or you don't know what you're talking about.
     
  11. 4thngoal

    4thngoal Well-Known Member

    Lol.
    Ok I'll play.
    16 games in a season. 10 rushes per game is 160.
    The six qb's you named (but left out how many that played the rpo in college like Braxton Miller and the countless others in every school with that statement) averaged 499 attempts. 6 QBs at even 10 attempts per game in a 16 game season equals
    960. Or almost double what they did, and that's at 10 attempts. So they averaged just over 3 attempts per game according to your stats.
    Now just off the top of my head and not going to look up the stats I would guess the big turn around at Houson had a lot to do with the defense. Because it looked much improved.
    I would also guess that the winning percentage of those NFL teams isn't bad, but isn't stellar either over the course of time.
    I would also guess the guys you named all come from "elite" 5 star recruiting schools. Except Russell Wilson, I know off the top of my head he didn't. I would guess a bunch of them played for national championships in college. I would guess they stacked up the rushing yards in college. I would guess they probably have excellent winning percentage in college.
    But I would still guess when it comes down to the NFL, the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino's of the NFL have a higher winning percentage and surly more super bowl rings.
    That's a lot of guessing.
    Guessing that undoubtedly says college rpo does not translate to the NFL as much as you would like to think.
    If it did, the Michael Vick's and Cam Newton's of the NFL would have a higher winning percentage more rings
     
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  12. 4thngoal

    4thngoal Well-Known Member

    But don't take my word for it.

    ": To quote an NFL scout who watched him play guard in 2015, Daniels “looked like shit” as a true freshman. Saying he’s come a long way is an understatement."
    "His game should translate just fine to the NFL. Iowa head Kirk Ferentz is known for running an old-school offense that scheme-wise, is about as close to an NFL offense as you’ll see at the collegiate level. As a result, Daniels comes in with less of a learning curve than your typical rookie offensive lineman. In the years where Iowa has a big-time NFL prospect like Marshall Yanda or Brandon Scherff, professional scouts mention that these guys are more like second-year playersbecause they already have experience with pro systems."
     
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