How many of you would trade Doyle for Wisconsin's S&C coach?

Discussion in 'Football' started by #1DieHardHawk, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. #1DieHardHawk

    #1DieHardHawk Well-Known Member

    'nuff said...
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  2. ShockHawk22

    ShockHawk22 Well-Known Member

    10 years ago he was the best in the biz. Just like everything else in this program, others have caught or surpasses him. He’s still better than most, but the shine has faded
  3. phdsvp

    phdsvp Well-Known Member

    In an absolute heartbeat. He should be fired at the end of the season and it isn't even debatable.
  4. okeefe4prez

    okeefe4prez Well-Known Member

    How would we have a star linebacker through nepotism if we lost Doyle? You morons want to play defense with 10 guys? Taylor was held to only 8.1 ypc, so Doyle is doing a helluva job.
  5. 1977Hawkeye

    1977Hawkeye Well-Known Member

    I'd trade our AD for Wisconsin's..
  6. tksirius

    tksirius HN's Love Doctor

    I'd trade Doyle for Minny's S&C coach at this point.
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  7. Caddy

    Caddy Well-Known Member

    In a heartbeat. Pushed all over the field yesterday. Taylor dragging 2-4 guys 4-5 yards after contact every time he touched the ball. Geno stone and Koerner looked like jockeys in the Kentucky Derby riding Taylor all day. 300 yards given up rushing means you got shoved around and dominated, period. His strength training principles are probably 10 years behind the times like KF and the rest of the schemes at Iowa. We look slow and weak. I would expect more of the same when Minnesota comes to Kinnick Saturday.
  8. HawksMN

    HawksMN Well-Known Member

    Pass. 2/3 of a great season in the past 50 years?
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  9. kameltoez102

    kameltoez102 Well-Known Member

    The reason Taylor was dragging guys most of the time was because everybody was trying to tackle too high. It’s not a question if guys were strong or not, it’s because you cannot bring someone down with that talent by playing high. I can’t even remember a play yesterday when we tackled him low . No matter how strong someone is they won’t be able to stop him with his speed and natural leverage with how he runs. That is a major reason he is the best in the country

    Fundamentally our linebackers and safeties did not tackle well yesterday and that is not on Doyle
  10. okeefe4prez

    okeefe4prez Well-Known Member

    Who, sir, is #43 in this picture?

  11. homes

    homes Well-Known Member

    A man can't run if his legs can't move. What we see in this photo is how Iowa tackled all game long.
  12. #1DieHardHawk

    #1DieHardHawk Well-Known Member

    It's not just the tackling.

    How about the fact that the Paulsen twins and Reiff have all been in the program for 5 years - yes, 5 years - yet, none of the three can "out-physical" the opponent across from them. Not their fault necessarily, but one of the main goals of the S&C program is to get our guys ready to battle in the trenches.

    Ironically, that's what this program is supposed to be known for, but I think it's reasonable to question whether that reputation is built more on historical reputation rather than substance.

    You have to wonder if Doyle has become so caught up in analytics and metrics that he's allowed the program to lose its way. Either way, something is amiss. We certainly aren't the "Bullies of the Big Ten" anymore.
  13. AreWeThereYet

    AreWeThereYet Well-Known Member

    I don't think Doyle is an issue.

    The core issue is Kirk Ferentz's offense. He came up through the ranks as a system offensive line coach versed in zone blocking schemes, run first, play action, defensive minded ball control offense. He's a good coach that deserves much credit for carrying on the legacy that Hadden Fry established. He's a good coach with a solid program, not a great coach.

    The bottom line is opponents that have good defenses have figured out how to stop Iowa's offense on pretty much a regular basis. Northwestern, Wisconsin and Penn State figured out how to beat Iowa a long time ago. They do so with regularity.
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  14. okeefe4prez

    okeefe4prez Well-Known Member

    It's not that bad. Penn State's winning streak is only at 6 games. We have a 1 game win streak against Northwestern and have won 1 of the last 4 games. We have won 1 of our last 8 games against Wisconsin. Most of the wins are totally fluky and if Iowa gets some breaks and bounces, they'll win those games again.
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  15. AreWeThereYet

    AreWeThereYet Well-Known Member

    I gather that both Paulsen twins have had knee issues. They have both lost considerable time rehabbing them. Lost time for chronic injuries means missed development and conditioning.

    I kind of wonder if they both have the same general issues, being identical twins. It's relatively common for people to have physiological issues with their knees. Some don't hold up to wear.
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  16. AreWeThereYet

    AreWeThereYet Well-Known Member

    We might want to save a few of those fluky breaks and bounces for the Minnesota and Illinois games.
  17. kameltoez102

    kameltoez102 Well-Known Member

    It would be interesting to be able to see what their strength gains and measureables are from when they entered the program to now. I would imagine they have gotten much stronger but you have to remember that Doyle doesn’t coach the online. Look at Wirfs, he is one of the strongest guys in the nation I would bet and he still gets beat. This has more to do with guys being healthy as well as just being good at a position not just strong. It is my opinion that both twins were project guys to begin with and not shoe in star caliber players from day one. Some guys are better than others and strength is only part of the equation
  18. okeefe4prez

    okeefe4prez Well-Known Member

    Ever bince Polasek got their our line has been wholly and completely incapable of blocking a decent 3-4. You line up with 4 and telegraph who is coming, they are fine. See, e.g., Ohio State game. But you do a 3-4 and mix up who is coming and we look totally lost out there. It was that way even with Daniels anchoring the o-line and he went in the second round of the draft. I think Brian Ferentz actually did a nice job when he was o-line coach and run game coordinator, but the line has been nothing short of a disaster for three years now. This board called it out in 2017 so I don't know how much more the coaching staff/AD has to see before we make a change. Maybe Coach O'Keefe will finally tire of the constant shit he gets and retire and they can politely move Polasek to QB coach and bring in someone who knows how to coach the o-line.
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  19. thetrza

    thetrza Well-Known Member

    I thought Wisconsin hired one of Doyle's assistants a long time ago, their current S&C coach is a Wisconsin alum with no Iowa ties.
  20. AreWeThereYet

    AreWeThereYet Well-Known Member

    The thing is Levi Paulson played as part of the rotation at both right guard and right tackle even starting at right tackle in the pinstripe bowl 2017. He did quite well early on. If I remember right he was held out of most of spring practice, missed most of last fall, and was injured early in 2018 spring practice. Levi isn't what he was when he first played a few years back. Landan was injured very early on and was out a long time and has only come on the last couple years.