How would I feel if Fran left?

Discussion in 'Basketball' started by longtimer, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. longtimer

    longtimer Well-Known Member

    OK His tenure at Iowa is the definition of Mediocre. Certainly some good things, but no championships Hasn't won more than a game in the tournament, some pretty bad years as recent as 2 years ago. In 9 years he has taken us to a level beyond Lick but there are probably some Jr High coaches that could have done that. Add to his record some behavior issues which reflect poorly on the University and can't help his recruiting efforts and the word that keeps coming up is mediocre.
    Would I be excited to see him leave? not excited but my sleep wouldn't be impacted. Excited to see him stay? again not excited but not totally depressed either. Do I think he might leave? No At his age with his record Im not sure why any major program would consider him?
    So what is my biggest fear? Barta making another hire! Now that's depressing and might impact my sleep
  2. Hawkfnntn

    Hawkfnntn Well-Known Member

    The timing of him possibly leaving could be telling. With his kids and all that its early enough it wouldnt be the biggest deal ever.

    Another thing I think is maybe he feels hes plateaued at Iowa. 9 yrs and this is as good as it gets. If your going to leave on your own (most likely get a raise) even if the job you're going to is a sideways move then this may be as good of timing as there is.

    That's not even factoring in to what extent the whole he and Dolph and Barta triangle was all about. If there is more to that then we know... Barta the genius he is eluded as much but then caught himself when asked to elaborate on it at the time. So who knows if there was any one thing but it's not tough to add up some things thatd make sense for Fran to have a wandering eye.
    Those planes dont just take off without communication prior. They came to Iowa city to sit down with someone be it Fran or someone representing him. Pretty simple
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  3. Xerxes

    Xerxes Well-Known Member

    I would feel the same way I did when Davis left. "Meh". Both are solid coaches who didn't prioritize half-court defense as much as the teams do that are routinely in the Sweet 16. Both had Iowa respectable but couldn't capitalize when they had the talent assembled.

    I feel bad for Fran because Iowa doesn't prioritize basketball anywhere close to the level that the football team is but the smartest thing for an athletic department to do is give the football team every resource it needs to be successful and every other program gets the leftovers. So I can't fault Barta and company for putting as much money in the football program as they do.
  4. InGoodCo

    InGoodCo Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't care so much about Fran - so long, don't let the door hit ya. He did a nice job, but nothing extraordinary. Not enough to be too sentimental. Iowa can be attractive to the right guy, but that unknown is what scares me more & that it would blow this team up and to be honest, I was excited for the next few years with what we have.
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  5. mopkins

    mopkins King Kong

    I would feel like Fran went through a lot over the past few years only to leave before it could pay off in the end for him.

    Jok's senior year was a letdown, last year was a disaster, then this year was a comeback year of year Iowa will have Bohannon/Cook?/Kriener/Moss all seniors, Pemsl/Garza Juniors, Wieskamp/Nunge/Connor Sophomores, Patrick/Fredrick/Touissant Freshman. Fran has all the pieces in place to be a top 4 Big Ten team. Why would he leave now for Arkansas? It just doesn't make sense at all
  6. InGoodCo

    InGoodCo Well-Known Member

    agree, on paper it doesn't make sense, but like Rob said, there has been a lot of drama during his tenure here at Iowa. Behind closed doors, attitudes could have changed. Ultimatums could have been made about his behavior and Fran didn't like it. It's hard to know. I also think on one hand, Iowa is a much better position to make a hire then it was 9 years ago. No question. On the other hand I think Fran leaving right now - with all that is place, coming off a good season and having a big contract in place, his kids here and he still leaves? wouldn't be the best look to potential coaches imo -
  7. SteveGarvey1

    SteveGarvey1 Well-Known Member

    I'd be apprehensive about what it means short-term, but excited about the opportunity for hiring a coach who could bring in more athletic recruits.
  8. Bigtenchamp

    Bigtenchamp Well-Known Member

    Now wouldn't be the best time since we should be competitive next year....
  9. InGoodCo

    InGoodCo Well-Known Member

    I think it’s a terrible timing considering our rival and one of the closest schools in proximity in the conference just hired Hoiberg. Like Deace said on today’s cast, someone is going down if Nebraska goes up. His leading candidates are Iowa, Minnesota and WI
  10. HawkGold

    HawkGold Well-Known Member

    Bruce Weber thinks it is a good idea.
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  11. 1hawkeye1

    1hawkeye1 Well-Known Member

    I'd be kinda excited at the thought of a new beginning. But I also like brussel sprouts.
  12. hawkinarkansas

    hawkinarkansas Well-Known Member

    Maybe we’d have a shot of not sustaining double digit loses year after year.
  13. Caddy

    Caddy Well-Known Member

    Hopefully he goes.
  14. NEIChawk

    NEIChawk Well-Known Member

    I'm all for someone new ......I make no bones about it. WTF is wrong with change? Nothing. Aggressive, young coach, new blood for staff, and talent on the court, hell yes
  15. SmokeTownHawk

    SmokeTownHawk Well-Known Member

    And kholrabi. Don't forget knolrabi.
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  16. SmokeTownHawk

    SmokeTownHawk Well-Known Member

    To me Devin Marble's senior year was another letdown in that I really thought they had a chance to get the whole enchilada, as in winning the B1G title.
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  17. pekurhawk

    pekurhawk Well-Known Member

    I would still feel like getting up at 5:00 AM to pee.
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  18. tweeterhawk

    tweeterhawk Well-Known Member

    Even before developments of the last 24 hours I wondered whether Fran was feeling that he did what he could in nine years and it was time for the next challenge.

    He did bring Hawkeye hoops back from the disaster that was Todd Lickleiter. And I was optimistic when he managed to beat Roy Williams for Adam Woodbury. But that has been about the extent of Fran’s accomplishments.

    Fran really hasn’t landed any blue-chippers, he has no obvious recruiting pipelines to athlete-rich areas, no one’s knocking down doors trying to hire his assistants. He wasn’t won any championships or progressed in most tournaments (other than the NIT) and his best finishes have been middle of the road in the B1G. In brutal honesty his performance is pedestrian.

    For as much of an improvement as this year was over last, it really was mediocre. It should be the very least the Hawkeye fan base should expect.

    I would not be sorry to see him go.
  19. 99topdawg

    99topdawg Well-Known Member

    Of course, "next year" looked to be competitive when George Raveling left. Could make the job more attractive.
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  20. 1977Hawkeye

    1977Hawkeye Well-Known Member

    Pretty much this, for me. After 9 years, I feel Fran has already delivered all he can. I basically rate Fran a little ahead of Alford, and a little behind Davis. Indeed, that is kinda "meh". But at least still competitive. MAYBE better times are ahead? Who has their crystal ball handy? But based on the last 9 years, I'm not sure I see much better than we've already gotten.

    I don't think it's automatic that next year will suck if we end up with a new coach, though. The 1986-87 team totally blossomed under Dr. Tom's coaching in his first year. Yes, they had TONS of talent, but point being the transition seemed to really help that particular group. So I'd say it all depends on the next hire. A good hire, and we'll be fine. A bad one, and we won't. It's really that simple IMO, but that is indeed the part that worries me. So I hear ya.
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