Lose Kirk this program is headed for the dumpster

Discussion in 'Football' started by HawkeyeDenis, Jun 8, 2020.

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  1. BigD

    BigD Well-Known Member

    Lol, people it’s Iowa. A lot of you thought Barta was gone too after losing the lawsuit. He was just another bad penny to put in your shoe and go with it.

    Kirk isn’t going anywhere and as long as Kirk’s around his little boy is around. Hell even Doyle may survive this. A bunch of public apology’s and promises to put the coaches through sensitivity and unconscious bias classes and the beat goes on.

    Recruiting could take a hit but so what. It’s not like we are winning conference championship’s here. It’s not expected or demanded, so a drop off in recruiting really doesn’t matter.

    That’s not my perspective on all of this but it’s what I expect from the white prudes that run the school.
  2. MelroseHawkins

    MelroseHawkins Well-Known Member

    Somebody has to program the robots though.
  3. kicker22

    kicker22 Well-Known Member

    Just my $.02 but with Dillon leaving the program I don’t see any way that Chris would return; regardless of the findings. I think the question is whether he goes quietly.
  4. BVHawk95

    BVHawk95 Well-Known Member

    Bingo. Dillon was the indicator that Chris is gone. He did need to go. Even if racist intent wasn't there with his statements (and I don't think it was), you can't say those things as a public figure. Coach Braithwaite (sp?) has been with him for a long time and that gives me lots of confidence in him.

    Anything after that though, and we'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face.
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  5. proudhawkfan21

    proudhawkfan21 Well-Known Member

    The NFL doesn't care about players' egos.....he'd probably do well for himself on an NFL staff. He knows the game. Training staff, coaching staff, player development. There is a fine line to cross between appropriate and inappropriate verbiage when motivating people. I've been in sales meetings where I got called about the worst things you can imagine, but I loved making that money. Made me tougher but I understand its not for everyone. I understand that I'm not a black american and my american experience is much much different and i don't for one second misunderstand that fact. I don't condone racist words. I don't know what to think about borderline inferences to toughness, intelligence and manhood. It doesn't work in a classroom, professional settings and a lot of other places. Is the place that someone grew up a racially derogatory offense? Perhaps. If another kid is from backwoods Iowa and he's called bumpkin or stupid is it wrong? Perhaps. It's also a setting where 6'6" 330 lb giants are trying to end you. Id like to say that being appropriate 24/7 is the easy answer. I just think there is a lot of grey area. Outright nasty racially derogatory language is wrong. We need to define what racism looks like and that's no easy task. What I've learned from all of this is we all need to do a better job of listening.
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  6. kicker22

    kicker22 Well-Known Member

    Agreed and I’ve been saying that regardless of whether his comments were racially motivated, or simply in terrible taste, there had to be consequences. I think Iowa has an out in this if they can mutually part ways, but out the remainder of his contract and do whatever else is necessary for both sides to save face. Fortunately (from a PR standpoint) I have a feeling this will only get national attention until it happens to another university.
  7. dahlhawk

    dahlhawk Well-Known Member

    Well that was quite a right hook, wow, but I don't think that relates to player mistreatment. Didn't seem to slow the young man down much. Kirk probable would have gone "old school" and kicked him off the team, cuz he's racist. (sarcasm)
  8. dahlhawk

    dahlhawk Well-Known Member

    He makes millions, I don't. I know the magic words I can't say. He should have cared enough about his job to not say them.
  9. hawkeyebob62

    hawkeyebob62 Well-Known Member

    None of them are stupid enough to walk into the situation they would be walking into.

    There's a very easy way to gauge all the "sincerity".

    Take Pete Carroll's statement that Kaepernick opened everyone's eyes, and the NFL and public at large "owe him". Next, check the transaction wire for the NFL. Note the absence of Kaepernick's name, including the team coached by Pete Carroll.
  10. hawkeyebob62

    hawkeyebob62 Well-Known Member

    Why are you a fan, then? I mean, hating white prudes the way you do?
  11. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Well-Known Member

    As much as you and I have bumped heads on some topics in the past, you sure did nail it this one!
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  12. bitmap

    bitmap Well-Known Member

    I always thought maybe as AD and maybe that's in the works too. Parallels to the 2015 fiasco in Columbia. The Tigers went from being in the SEC championship game in 2014 to a new coach in 2016. Pinkel actually sided w/ the players and was instrumental in getting president Wolfe to resign. The team folded in the turmoil.
  13. BigD

    BigD Well-Known Member

    Lol, Could you please give me the number and position the white Prudes are wearing?

    I am not talking about the team.

    Why do you think Kirk got all over Brian for using a few cuss words. What world do this people live in that an F bomb is something that upsets them. They better not go down to practice on a hot day.

    Obviously they care more about that than they do the game. That’s my gripe with them. If they were ever around Bobby Knight or Michigan’s old coach Bo S. they would have shit a brick With the language they would have heard.

    I am not calling for Kirk’s head here especially since we don’t know all the facts. I don’t like the tone from what I have heard though.

    My perspective is that all people are loved and valued equally in the eyes of God. If God feels that way and then I should feel that way also.

    I personally believe that if Kirk stayed around for another ten or twenty years and never won another conference title the powers that be would care less because it’s not really that important to them. That was my point. Still I hope that maybe one day all the stars will align perfectly we win the division the conference and have a shot in the play offs. That hope has been quietly fading away for me. Would just love to see it once in my lifetime.

    Sorry to digress off the subject here. I guess my religious perspective should tell you how I feel about inequality towards others regardless of race, religion, social status, wealth status Or any other reason.

    We will see what happens here but I think it will play out the way I stated. I think at a lot of other Universities Barta would have been let go after the law suit. I think the fact that Kirk likes him so much had a lot to do with it. Kirk is so well liked by the powers that be that he will survive this as will Brian. Not so sure about Doyle but Kirk comes off as being very loyal to his coaches so I am sure every attempt will be made to work through all of this.

    Public acknowledgement, apologies, sensitivity training, unconscious bias training.

    I don’t know about all of you but I am ready for some football. Hoping this will that year.
  14. hawkeyebob62

    hawkeyebob62 Well-Known Member

    This program is already IN the dumpster. The players just don't know it, yet. They were too busy singing Kum Ba Yah while one of their teammates was transferring and then being called a quitter by some of the Twitterverse.
  15. hawkeyebob62

    hawkeyebob62 Well-Known Member

    Doyle's already gone. Or did you miss the part about his kid entering the transfer portal?
  16. Cyhawk

    Cyhawk Well-Known Member

    Who has transferred except Doyle?
  17. proudhawkfan21

    proudhawkfan21 Well-Known Member

    I wasnt advocating for him. I haven't heard THE word mentioned yet. Lots of trying to negatively motivate kids to be angry and try harder? I don't agree with it. Does the ends justify the means. I say not but ill bet there are some millionaire NFL players that might and have said it wasn't a problem for them. I think its a problem. I'm not sure on what level. As a fan base and administration it wasn't a problem until it became a problem. Which, wait for it......is a problem.
  18. BigD

    BigD Well-Known Member

    Actually I did miss that. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Even though I don’t agree with the things he is accused of saying and doing I do appreciate the things he contributed to the program. Speaking of his father.
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  19. hawkeyebob62

    hawkeyebob62 Well-Known Member

    That was my point. Everyone talked "unity", but there appeared to be a fracture. If the kid is paying the price for the father, that isn't "unity", that's "bullying".
  20. 99topdawg

    99topdawg Well-Known Member

    I agree with this 100%, but I could give you 800,000 reasons why he might return.
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