Will Toussaint Start Friday?

Discussion in 'Basketball' started by NikeHawk21, Nov 12, 2019.

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Will Toussaint Start Vs Oral Roberts

Poll closed Nov 16, 2019.
  1. Yes

    9 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. No

    36 vote(s)
    80.0%
  1. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member

    I’m not sure I’d really blame Toussaint or not having Connor on the floor for that run. After all Depaul started the game 19-2 against our starters. Fran should have never done a full line change.

    Toussaint was only credited with one turnover by the way and that was a travel, so at the very least it didn’t lead to a wide open basket the other way.

    I’m okay with Connor and Toussaint on the court at the same time, because as I said Connor should be guarding opponent 3men. The thing is I think Connor is probably the 5th best defender of the guards / wings behind Wieskamp, Toussaint, Evelyn, and Fredrick. Possibly behind Pat as well. Does Connor bring enough offensively to overcome that? That’s the tough part.
     
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  2. DDThompson

    DDThompson Well-Known Member

    This is perfect. Iowa is always a TO waiting to happen. Why not go with the guy that can create with the dribble?
     
  3. Northside Hawk

    Northside Hawk Well-Known Member

    It may be time to adjust the team concept then. This guy, right now, can finish at the rim better than Bohannon and Gessell ever could, better than any guard we've had in two decades. If he has to deviate from the team concept because others cant keep up with him, that's on the team, not Joe.

    Its too early to say, but early returns say hes the type of penetrating, attacking poimt guard we've been looking for. That's the only reason I would still have hope for this team. If you're solid at the point and in the post you will have a chamce on nights when other's shots aren't falling.
     
  4. PCHawk

    PCHawk Well-Known Member

    It sure seems like Joe T and CJ are a pretty good back court. If Wieskamp stays 4 years, we could actually be pretty damn solid the next couple years.
     
  5. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member

    I think Toussaint will have some growing pains. Most of what he did last night was against a team that didn’t need to play super hard on defense up as big as they were. I’m still excited for him going forward but I do think it will take some time.
     
  6. Casey388

    Casey388 Well-Known Member

    Will he and should he are two very different things. He definitely showed that he belongs on the court, just don't know if he has got Fran's trust yet.
     
  7. deanvogs

    deanvogs Well-Known Member

    Joe absolutely should not be the starter right now. He needs some time yet.
     
  8. Robowe

    Robowe Well-Known Member

    All freshman will have growing pains. Here's a couple of freshman continuing to work ...

     
  9. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member

    The thing I like about Toussaint is you can tell he absolutely hates losing. Now he will need to learn to control that some but he wants to be good and wants to be on a winning team. I think CJF has that as well.

    Pat kind of had that deer in the headlights look last night but I do think he puts a lot of time into his craft. It just might take him a little longer to get to a point where he can really effect games he the way he wants to.
     
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  10. SheagleHawk

    SheagleHawk Well-Known Member

    That’s a number of serious recruiting failures if we’re saying Connor is one of our top 5 guys.
     
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  11. PCHawk

    PCHawk Well-Known Member

    When a freshman makes mistakes, it's called growing pains. When everyone else makes mistakes, it's called a mistake. People act like players quit making mistakes as they get older. They should make less then they did when they were freshmen, but a good player is going to make less mistakes as a freshman then a bad player will as a senior.

    I guess I'm saying I would rather have a good freshman and live with his "freshmen mistakes" than have a bad upperclassmen and have to live with him sucking.
     
  12. ibahawkeye

    ibahawkeye Well-Known Member

    I think that's where we're heading but I'm not sure Fran is ready to do it after 2 games.
     
  13. trj

    trj Well-Known Member

    Imo, this roster isn’t constructed for small ball. You have a little bit of flexibility with JW, but that’s about it. Playing outside-in is sooooo hard given everyone’s skill set.
     
  14. dahlhawk

    dahlhawk Well-Known Member

    Or Conner's jump passes to the other team.
     
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  15. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member

    It’s hard to do when your big isn’t a rim protector and Garza certainly isn’t that. Still though I would argue that both JW and PM could play the 4 in a smaller look. With Pat we’d have to certainly go zone and rebounding would be a huge concern.
     
  16. N8theGr8

    N8theGr8 Well-Known Member

    To that end, I'd love to have Nunge really come into his own and play a small ball center. Because he has the potential to be a big time rim protector. Then again, I'd love to see any of our backup bigs take the next step. Arguably the biggest problem Monday (if you can pick just one) was that we didn't have any inside presence when Kriener and Garza were off the court. Heck, even when they were they were turnover machines and ended the game with a grand total of 2 blocks. For comparison, small ball DePaul had 8.
     
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  17. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member

    Totally agree. Nunge has looked pretty slow but I still think he can move his feet the best out of our bigs and he’s the tallest. He’d have the best chance at being a rim protector anyway at the 5 spot. The problem is you can’t give up Garza’s elite offense either. We just have to find a way to mix and match it a little better.
     
  18. trj

    trj Well-Known Member


    There’s just not a lot of flexibility with this roster. 3 or 4 guys can effectively play multiple positions everyone else’s skill set only allows for one. As the sport becomes more and more positionless, that’s a problem.
     
  19. NikeHawk21

    NikeHawk21 Well-Known Member



    Per David Eickholt Toussaint will not start Friday according to the game notes. That tweet was in reply of someone asking if he will start. I couldn’t find it in the game notes though.
     
  20. PCHawk

    PCHawk Well-Known Member

    I disagree. 2/3 of the team can play multiple positions.
     
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