Yer the coach...

Discussion in 'Football' started by Ian Pike Hammer, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. Ian Pike Hammer

    Ian Pike Hammer Well-Known Member

    Football season has started. Bad Stanley has shown up more often than not in the non-conference games. Do you pull him? Let him go one more game? 2? 3?
    When do 2nd and 3rd string QG's play, after all, they are the future.
  2. GesterHawk

    GesterHawk Well-Known Member

    Trick question.
    Bad Stanley doesn't show up in the non-con games. Never really has.
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  3. Fryowa

    Fryowa Well-Known Member

    Stanley is a tough one to pigeonhole. He has high highs and really low lows.

    I guess my first reaction would be to lean harder on the run game and if that doesn’t work, make a change.

    Whether you want to or not you have to keep in mind that benching a P5 quarterback is a majorly public deal. It’s not just a personnel decision, you can lose a team in a hurry, and it’s a huge distraction to the program no matter what. It can also have the opposite effect which is good, but there’s no going back. It’s basically telling the rest of the conference that your team is a wounded duck and that you’ve lost some confidence in your ability to win games.

    No matter how many TDs Stanley ends up throwing in his career, he’s not the obvious team leader that Beathard, Tate, and Stanzi were. He’s had some pretty visible meltdowns and shown that he’s able to be rattled pretty bad. Guys like Beathard were the opposite. When he looked like he was done for he hopped back in and made plays. If we get to the point where winning the division is a little iffy I’d say you have no choice. There’s no more “development time” excuse for Stanley (or any other senior QB. This is where they’re supposed to take the bull by the horns.
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
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  4. Motigerhawk

    Motigerhawk Well-Known Member

    I think Mansell fits better in this offense.

    I would yank him if he showed a continued lack of success. Which will happen because he is a QB in Iowa's system and they almost always regress.
  5. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Well-Known Member

    Give it up. He will start and barring some unforeseen set of circumstances, he will start and play the vast majority of minutes. And, that is just fine with me.
  6. DDThompson

    DDThompson Well-Known Member

    He’s not sitting unless Iowa is 35+ in the 4Q.
  7. guffus

    guffus Well-Known Member

    It is also a trick question because Iowa plays Rutgers in week 2 in 2019. So they have a conference game before 2 of its non-conference games.

    The schedule is also quirky because it's a double bye season with 2 off weeks.

    So if Stanley were to struggle in early games against Rutgers and ISU, there may still be time to develop a new starter against Middle Tenn in week 4 plus the 2 off weeks later.
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  8. Ian Pike Hammer

    Ian Pike Hammer Well-Known Member

    Disagree, Fry, a bit of an over reach I think. All it shows the conf is that you lack confidence in that particular QB- not an admission that yr team is a wounded duck. Doesn't mean you've lost confidence in yr ability to win games, just win games with that starting QB. A good coach will say screw the public attention, I'm gonna put in a QB that gives us a better shot to win.

    AIRHAWK Well-Known Member

    Where have you been for the last 20 years? KF will not sit Stanley unless he is hurt. Never happen. Ever. No chance. Nope.
    Good Stanley, bad Stanley, doesn't matter. He is a senior, 3 yr starter. We get him thru thick and then.
  10. CP87

    CP87 Well-Known Member

    Two-year starter, senior to be, NFL-talent Jake Ruddock was replaced by junior to be CJ Beathard.

    Junior, starting QB Jake Christensen, who had started the entire prior season, was replaced by sophomore Ricky Stanzi as starter in the 3rd game.

    To say there is no chance it could ever happen when it has happened twice in the last 10 years seems a bit extreme. I think the coaches need to see very convincing evidence that the move is needed, they are not the type of staff to try change just for change's sake. But they have pulled the trigger on such a move before.
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2019
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  11. NCHawker

    NCHawker Well-Known Member

    took me a while to let it soak in.. "I'M THE COACH" not what would KF do.

    So sit him down for a series... then put him back in.
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  12. uihawk82

    uihawk82 Well-Known Member

    I agree that this is the scenario you might see. Mansell showed he wasnt necessarily ready for big game action last year as he was gun shy a few times when he went in last year.

    The thing with Mansell is he can get the butterflies out of his system and maybe still move the chains for awhile with his feet.

    If Stanley is off this coming year sitting him for a series or more might be the better choice. Have him watch the offense but throw on the sideline while the defense is out there to get a touch going and maybe some excess excitement out then get him back in depending on what has gone on with the backup and offense.
  13. hawkdrummer1

    hawkdrummer1 Well-Known Member

    Not a bad idea. Someone (perhaps in another thread) said, well it could shake a kid's confidence. I'd suggest that if it does, it shows he doesn't have the mental toughness needed. Some people come out tougher when they're challenged...some fold up. I know which kind I'd want at QB.
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  14. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Well-Known Member

    Glad for the double bye, because of the dates I will be able to do my annual pheasant hunt in South Dakota, and not miss an Iowa game.
  15. Adam

    Adam Well-Known Member

    I'm just praying that the head game clicks for Stanley this year. I think he is a tremendous young man. It is fact that he has all the physical tools to be great. We have seen glimpses of Stanley greatness. I doubt that any other QB on the roster offers Stanley's ceiling. However Stanley has also shown us Grand Canyon level lows. The consistancy needs to improve no doubt.

    I just really hope it works out for Nate. I would hate to see him benched for not being able to read a defense.

    BILLYBOBSTEXAS Well-Known Member

    Benching the starter for a series or two can be very beneficial. Not only letting the starter see the game from a different perspective, it also changes the offense and gives the opponent something else to defend. It works even better if the two quarter backs have different skill sets.
  17. uihawk82

    uihawk82 Well-Known Member

    I think he has proved to the coaches that he can read defenses. I think we all see one problem is his accuracy and completion %, he improved some last year but 60% needs to go to 67% unless, unless he is just making a lot of timely superb throws.. And his other main problem are the 4 or 5 WTF interceptions he has each year. He had 10 INTs last year and about 5 were bad, the one at MInny right b4 halftime, of course the miscommunication at the end of the PSU game, and a couple just bad throws or throwing to too tightly covered a receiver.

    If he can cut down the bad INTs, keep the TD numbers going, get a better completion percentage, and find the best open receivers most of the time then he will be very very good.

    I think we need better run blocking and production than we need Stanley to really improve.
  18. HawkleberryFinn

    HawkleberryFinn Well-Known Member

    I predict Stanley succumbs to a severe case of androgenic alopecia early in '19. In response, he takes a medical redshirt and sits out. He wants to come back in '20, but learns Deuce "Deuce's Wild" Hogan has secured the starting position. Stanley wallows in pity for five years, takes odd jobs and develops a drinking habit. In an odd turn of events, all Hawkeye QB's are injured entering the '25 season. Head coach Brian Ferentz invites Stanley to camp where he wins the 1st-String position and leads the Hawks to the '25-'26 national title. "Nate comes alive in '25" There's a 30 for 30 episode years later.
  19. ModebaSan

    ModebaSan Well-Known Member

    The only way I’m gonna sit Stanley is, ( and I hope this is often), that is if we have a nice lead late in the 3rd or 4th quarters. Not because I saw good or bad Stanley, but I want our backup QB’s to get valuable game time reps. We lose Stanley after this year so having some QB’s with at least some marginal gametime experience coming into 2020 will only benefit the team. Only other scenario is if Stanley gets hurt, (which I never like to see), then it’s trial by fire for the next guy in. Mansell and Petras both need more gametime experience.
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  20. GesterHawk

    GesterHawk Well-Known Member

    I do find it odd how people have been far kinder about interceptions towards Rick 6, even when he was leading the world in TDs thrown to the defense.